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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#273926: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:32:27 PM

My basic argument against drones is they make it far too easy to target and murder people while the government shrugs off their use for that purpose, even though they're not nearly as effective or precise as people claim they are.

The real issue is their indiscriminate use by the CIA and other parties but regulating drones would be great.

I also would love a lot more regulation on surveillance.

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#273927: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:46:11 PM

Edited out.

Edited by HailMuffins on Mar 9th 2019 at 10:48:39 AM

Imca (Veteran)
#273928: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:46:51 PM

Thats probably skirting a bit too close to forum rules, sorry.

Also I don't see how its a disgrace to democracy, considering Democracy put them there. :/

Edited by Imca on Mar 9th 2019 at 5:48:19 AM

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#273929: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:47:32 PM

Bear in mind other people will travelling with him so your wishing death upon the pilots and crew as well any passengers on board,so definitely in poor taste

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#273930: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:47:52 PM

The whole argument on drones got started by asking what Obama's scandals were. There's no doubt he had some, but it's pointless to list them since they pale in comparison to the daily scandals pumped out by the Trump administration.

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#273931: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:49:37 PM

Brazil’s new leader terrifies me more than trump. He’s already making kids pledge to him, and his promise to destroy rainforests will devastate the planet.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#273932: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:51:05 PM

[up]x4 Well, if democracy puts an authoritarian dickhead who says stuff like "democracy only exists when the military allows it" and goes around posting videos of people doing golden showers on his Twitter in power, then something is very wrong with it.

And before you ask, no, I didn't make any of that up.

[up]He also gave the Ministry of Agriculture the power to decide upon the rights of indiginous people and has (against the constitution, mind) restarted efforts to reintegrate them back into society.

Which isn't a veiled support of cultural if not actual genocide, of course not, he only has Brazil's best interests at heart.

And it is also not like owners of big plantations tend to frequently kill and/or illegally take the lands of the natives.

Edited by HailMuffins on Mar 9th 2019 at 11:01:30 AM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#273933: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:51:53 PM

they make it far too easy to target and murder people

Drones are fundamentally no different than any other form of delivery system. In practical terms, there is no difference between a drone strike or an airstrike or a missile strike.

If you have a special objection to drones, it’s not because of how easy or hard they make things. It’s probably because they just feel a lot worse than a conventional strike.

They should have sent a poet.
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#273934: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:52:13 PM

Brazil’s new leader terrifies me more than trump. He’s already making kids pledge to him, and his promise to destroy rainforests will devastate the planet.

Oh yes, he's certainly worse than Donald. Mind you that isn't something that I'm saying lightly, since it's not my intention to downplay or make light of just how awful and inhumane the Trump administration is.

It's just that Bolsonaro really is that bad. What makes it sting even more is that we don't have anything like the electoral college. The majority of the country really did vote for him. (Though that's not to say it was all fair play, given that his campaign was involved in paying for agencies to bombard whatsapp groups with fake news, breaking campaign finance laws).

Part of the problem is that also we have a far worse history with authoritarianism than the US; we were in a military dictatorship (backed by the CIA, I might add) only 3 decades ago, so that's part of why he feels emboldened to do things like that.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Mar 9th 2019 at 9:56:39 AM

Imca (Veteran)
#273935: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:55:16 PM

x4 Well, if democracy puts an authoritarian dickhead who says stuff like "democracy only exists when the military allows it" and goes around posting videos of people doing golden showers on his Twitter in power, then something is very wrong with.

And before you ask, no, I didn't make any of that up.

Oh definitely, but that isn't a disgrace of democracy, it is a fundamental flaw of it.

These kinds of people being elected isn't the first time, and sadly it wont be the least.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#273936: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:59:05 PM

[up][up]Worth remembering that the very same military coup had the support of a substantial part of the population.

Well, the part the goverment deemed worth listening to, at any rate. White, well-off, Southern, I'm sure everyone knows the drill by now.

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#273937: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:04:37 PM

With Brazil's President and America's I'm wondering who will last ,i want to say neither of them but that's wishful thinking,though I have a feeling Trump will remain in office longer Bolsonaro

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#273938: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:06:22 PM

The whole argument on drones got started by asking what Obama's scandals were. There's no doubt he had some, but it's pointless to list them since they pale in comparison to the daily scandals pumped out by the Trump administration.

Oh, is that where this started? The Daily Show's actually doing a segment on Obama's Presidency scandals.

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#273939: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:07:11 PM

[up]x2 Believe it or not, that's worse.

Or at least, it will be unless the Vice-President gets impeached as well: the man is even worse than Bolsonaro by a considerable margin.

Edited by HailMuffins on Mar 9th 2019 at 11:07:44 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#273940: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:08:27 PM

Obama's scandals mostly amount to continuation of the power expansions and war efforts of the Dubya administration, except taking them in different directions.

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#273941: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:12:24 PM

I have more faith in the US voting out Trump in 2020 than us getting rid of Bolsonaro next election.

I'm not saying Donald getting booted is guaranteed either, mind you.

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#273942: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:17:56 PM

Side note, I’m still frustrated by the support Bernie is getting—I really want someone less old, white and hypocritical than him, but it seems like he’s already the front runner despite his recent scandals.

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#273943: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:20:11 PM

Side note, I’m still frustrated by the support Bernie is getting—I really want someone less old, white and hypocritical than him, but it seems like he’s already the front runner despite his recent scandals.

I totally understand how you feel, still, on the bright side Hillary was in a similar position in 2008 and she still lost. Sanders has the advantage of name recognition right now but once the primary begins we'll see how he fares without the #NeverHillary vote.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#273944: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:25:15 PM

I like Sanders, though I dont think I will be voting for him in the election.

The reason why I listed drone strikes as an Obama Admin problem is because the issue was never technological, nor even the CIA going rogue. Drones were given to the CIA specifically because they were less accountable to the public than the military is, in other words, the White House encouraged the CIA to kill more people, but didn't want to have to own up to it. That's a political issue, and Obama was just as responsible for it during his tenure as Bush was during his.

Edited by DeMarquis on Mar 9th 2019 at 9:27:21 AM

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#273945: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:36:26 PM

Side note, I’m still frustrated by the support Bernie is getting—I really want someone less old, white and hypocritical than him, but it seems like he’s already the front runner despite his recent scandals.

Not to bring this subject back to Brazil again for too long since it's not strictly on-topic but what I find frustrating is that this narrative of Sanders being the most left-wing and best candidate has been seeping down to left-leaning circles down here too. There were even people gassing Ojeda back before he decided he wasn't going to be in the race.

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#273946: Mar 9th 2019 at 7:06:12 PM

~Charles Phipps ([1]):

Ayn Rand was a anti-theological (for lack of a better term) atheist who wrote that religion was not only wrong but harmful to society and indeed rejected all of Christianity's values in particular as anti-progress. Ironically because she associated it with communism.
The word you're looking for is "antireligious".

Edited by MarqFJA on Mar 9th 2019 at 6:06:33 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#273947: Mar 9th 2019 at 7:08:02 PM

Thank you for that!

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#273948: Mar 9th 2019 at 7:12:03 PM

Side note, I’m still frustrated by the support Bernie is getting—I really want someone less old, white and hypocritical than him, but it seems like he’s already the front runner despite his recent scandals.

As much as I want a milestone as well, I think the primary concern here will be who is the best person to undo all of Trump's damage to the United States first as well as the policies that will put America on a restorative track.

I think Bernie can do that even if he's my second choice after Warren at this juncture.

I also prefer him to Biden, who I was afraid would win the primary lead.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 9th 2019 at 7:12:21 AM

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#273949: Mar 9th 2019 at 7:16:43 PM

As much as I want a milestone as well, I think the primary concern here will be who is the best person to undo all of Trump's damage to the United States first as well as the policies that will put America on a restorative track.

I think Bernie can do that even if he's my second choice after Warren at this juncture.

I also prefer him to Biden, who I was afraid would win the primary lead.

My problem with electability arguments is that they're pretty much universally used against minorities and women, now I want to emphasize that I'm not accusing you of such intentions but it's common enough that I'm going to assume until proven otherwise that anyone able to beat the primary is plausibly able to beat Trump.

Obviously, if some disqualifier comes up then I'll consider electability but right now I don't see any reason to believe that Harris, Gillibrand, Warren, or Booker are unable to hypothetically beat Trump.

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#273950: Mar 9th 2019 at 7:21:00 PM

That doesn't seem like, necessarily, an electability argument. Seems to be reading a bit much into it.


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