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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Kind of amusing that the article has a related link to an article from last year about how Republicans no longer all think the n-word is bad. More and more of them are fine with it.
Democrats and Republicans used to agree about the n-word. Now they don’t.
So yeah...it seems like the rightwing in the USA are becoming a lot more racist.
Edited by M84 on Mar 9th 2019 at 3:53:07 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedPretty sure pushing for a colorblind system now, when minorities and people of color are at much more of a disadvantage than white people, would come off as racist, yes.
And honestly, even as someone pretty apathetic on politics, a lot of stuff the right talks about is often blatantly racist, or denying basic science or even basic human decency.
Sometimes when I go to the gym, they have Fox News playing on one of the screens, and sometimes I glance over in morbid curiosity to see what their bugbear of the day is. And it's almost always something horrible, racist, anti-science, false, or all of the above.
She's basically what Wikileaks was supposed to be about and bears the full suffering of the US government's wrath when everyone else has fled or cozied up to dictators.
Why though?
Yeah, her time in prison was terrible and I'm glad that Obama commuted her sentence but in this context, she has no one to blame but herself for choosing to ignore the subpoena.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 8th 2019 at 2:56:11 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangTo be fair to Soban, these arguments are not quite addressing his points IMO. They are just restating an assertion. That said, AGF'ing on that approach to racism there are a few issues:
- Some manifestations of racism are subject to positive feedback effects, e.g poverty in an area->low tax revenue->insufficient money for schools->bad education->poverty. These don't simply go away with "colour blind" policies.
- Another problem is that a lot of racial inequality is perpetuated not by explicit racism of the "blacks are inferior" form (or a variant such a theme), but through sub-conscious racial bias, such as is well documented in police shootings. And too often people advocating "colour-blind" policy have nothing to offer to fix these problems.
eta: "Nigger" was an unnecessary word here, even if it referred to the opinions held by a racist person. So changed.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Mar 8th 2019 at 9:33:47 PM
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman![]()
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You can feel bad for how the government has treated her, to be sure, but she has not exactly covered herself in glory as a righteous martyr.
People on the right may claim that they want a colorblind system, but this blatantly ignores the fact that our system is not equal and will not naturally become equal if we simply ignore race.
For his part, Donald Trump engaged in systematic discrimination against blacks in his housing development projects and has made multiple overtly racist statements on the campaign trail and while in office. His campaign played directly to anti-Hispanic racism as well.
The only real difference between him and Ronald Reagan (infamous purveyor of the "strapping young bucks" and "welfare queens" memes) in this regard is that Trump states openly what Reagan said in code.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 8th 2019 at 3:02:19 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"In this case, I think their punishment was excessive to begin with and there's no reason for the government to continue harassing her. Yes, it's dumb but the administration has done so much casual evil, I can fully believe they're planning on throwing more at her just in hopes of keeping her drowned in court data after already a ruinous amount of punishment.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.One of the Right's biggest and nastiest qualities was learned from (and I can't believe I'm citing this asshole twice in one day) David Duke. While other politicians have done it, he was a master for constantly deriding the Left for not living up to policies of free speech or rights to serve who and what you want and so many other things.
Then immediately telling his followers to not do any of this themselves.
You can bet a colorblind system would be blind on the good faith practicioners and highly biased on the not.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 8th 2019 at 12:01:26 PM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Just to point out, but Trump engaged in some inadvertent Word-Salad Humor when commenting on Manafort's sentence. It was, according to that BBC link - "It's a collusion witch hoax."
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Yes, they're assertions the same way that "the Sun comes up every morning " is an assertion. In that they're objectively true and clearly obvious from even a cursory examination.
The Republican Parties racist, classist, LGBT-phobic, sexist, and anti-intellectual positions and policies have been discussed time and time again in this thread. If one decides to deny it at this juncture there isn't much anything to say other than "you're wrong".
Excuse me? Continue to harras her?
She was summoned to court in relation to previous acts she was involved in, that's not harassment it's the legal prerogative.
As I said, Manning has literally no-one to blame but herself. Unless you think that she is magically exempt from being held in contempt of court?
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 8th 2019 at 3:30:26 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang@Bur
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Where was that? Because according to Wikipedia
, the mastermind of it was NY Rep. John Sweeney
(R-22; later 20, and succeeded - oddly enough, by Gillibrand). So it's possible that Stone was Stealing the Credit - and given his resemblance to a Batman villain, I could picture that.
And to point out, the Congressman was polite enough to ask if he could use it first
- a courtesy not extended to the whales, naturally.
Edited by ironballs16 on Mar 8th 2019 at 3:18:06 PM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"This literally makes zero sense, a grand jury subpoenaed Manning to ask questions about her decision to reveal US secrets to possibly advance an investigation into Assange. She then decided to ignore the subpoena thus acting in contempt of court. There is literally no reason to believe she has any sort of case.
I am completely baffled as to why you think she is possibly in the right here.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 8th 2019 at 3:30:08 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI think he takes issue with her being summoned to court, which I can't take a side on as I don't know whether it was valid or necessary or not.
It certainly is possible to for courts to use Bothering by the Book as a form of harassment (and again, I sympathize with her for not wanting to respond to summons), but I would need someone to make the case that it was a needless summons rather than assume it was.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.My congressional rep has decided to be even worse than usual and I’m sorry to bring up Rep. Omar again, but this made me so angry I almost dropped my phone.
Representative Omar from Minnesota has repeatedly made anti-Semitic comments and while I voted for the Resolution before the House of Representatives, we must go farther.
Earlier this year, the House voted to condemn a Republican, by name, who made remarks supporting white supremacy and white nationalism. At that time, I applauded the decision by Republican leadership to remove Rep. Steve King from his cmte assignments b/c of his bigoted comments.
But now, Democrats refuse to condemn, by name, a Democrat who has repeatedly made anti-Semitic statements. This is hypocritical and unacceptable.
Rep. Omar should be removed from the House Foreign Affairs Committee in order to send a strong message that we denounce anti-Semitic views in the House of Representatives.
I continue to strongly stand against anti-Semitism, anti-Muslim sentiments, bigotry and hate in all forms.
For context, Susan Brooks used to be on the House Ethics Committee and did NOTHING about any of Steve King’s many blatantly white supremacist comments until after the biggest backlash against him last year.
Comparing King and Omar is a false equivalency that is breathtaking in how insulting it is.
Edited by wisewillow on Mar 8th 2019 at 3:51:55 PM
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I completely agree with you.
I think Omar's statements were factually incorrect and problematic but that's blatantly hypocritical, I don't like her statements but I'm certainly not going to endorse such an obvious racial-religious double standard.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 8th 2019 at 3:55:23 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangAnd follow up tweets by what appears to be a Very Angry Constituent.
Two years ago I asked you, in person, as a member of the ethics committee, what you would do about Steve King’s disgusting, white supremacist comments.
You said you didn’t know what I was talking about.
Paul Ryan had been on the news trying to put out the fire, while Steve King doubled down. So either you lied to me, or you weren’t doing your job.
Your republican colleagues have made antisemitic, anti-muslim, racist, sexist comments repeatedly. And you said nothing.
And what they said was far, far worse than the comments which Rep. Omar already apologized for. So spare me your tactical hypocrisy and misrepresentation of facts.
Ouch.
Nearly Everything?
More seriously, your claim that we "are listening so hard for racism that it's all you hear" fails from the simple fact that we don't actually have to listen very hard at all. As an off the cuff example, see Right-aligned response to anything to do with Colin Kaepernick. See screwing over a US territory of primarily brown people out of emergency aid. See Donald Trump's obsession with his Wall that's left thousands of would be immigrants imprisoned and who knows how many children potentially screwed up for life.
You can say their positions aren't racist all you want, but that won't change that those positions are tainted by their own actions and words in other areas.
You can define racism however you want, but the majority of the Right will fall into just about any rational definition you can come to with.
TL;DL You can't say we're looking too hard when all you have to do is turn your head and open your eyes.
Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 8th 2019 at 2:14:05 AM

This is laughably false, the Left listens to what the Right says and what the Right does.
When the Republican Party elects a string of racists and runs blatantly racialized campaigns with racialized policies we rightfully call them racist. It's also objectively false to say that we believe they're all about racism, the Right is also about sexism and cis hetero-supremacy.
Not to mention plutocratic policies which are built on looting American society to benefit the rich and crush the poor in the name of their Objectivist dogma.
So yeah, we aren't the ones with a vision of the right that's detached from the facts on the ground. That's you Soban.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang