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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#273726: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:25:17 AM

I think the biggest reason the Republican party is so pro-Israel but antisemitic is simply because they want to screw with the Arabs in Palestine.

They might hate the Jews, but they hate Muslims even more. Enemy of my enemy and stuff like that.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#273727: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:28:41 AM

I think the biggest reason the Republican party is so pro-Israel but antisemitic is simply because they want to screw with the Arabs in Palestine.

They might hate the Jews, but they hate Muslims even more. Enemy of my enemy and stuff like that.

Nah, anti-Arab sentiment absolutely plays a major role but Evangelical Theology is the real driver behind it.

Compounded by the fact that Bibi has been working to specifically improve his relationship with the Republicans at the expense of the Democrats.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 8th 2019 at 1:28:54 PM

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#273728: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:29:41 AM

So what? We should allow people to ignore subpoenas whenever they want?

If there is something unjust occurring it should be corrected but at its face, I don't see any reason to think she's in the right. Subpoenas are not and should not be at the discretion of the people called.

So you should be able to just keep calling the same person back to testify more than once in a row? And arrest her over the same actions twice?

Moreover, she invoked her constitutional rights against being tried twice, and then they held her in contempt.

She doesn't seem to be doing it for Assange's sake. She's doing it because she has reason to distrust having a closed hearing.

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#273729: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:31:25 AM

Is it being arrested for the same act twice, or being arrested for doing the same thing again after already being tried for it once? Because reoffending is reoffending.

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#273730: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:33:47 AM

She's not actually being tried twice, though? From what I understand of the case, the first time she was tried for the leaks, and this time she was just being called in to testify as maybe part of a trial to get Assange, but refused, and so was arrested for that. And the first time it was in a court martial, so I don't know how that counts for the whole "can't be tried for the same thing twice" thing.

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#273731: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:35:14 AM

She's being tried for something that is related to her first offense, but she's not being tried for that same offense again.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#273732: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:37:56 AM

Notably, David Duke (yes, the Grand Wizard of the KKK) has done tours of the Middle East speaking to Muslims about the evils of Israel.

He's been very well received there.

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golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#273733: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:39:43 AM

And? Is that supposed to prove anything? Yeah, he's right about Israel but obviously he isn't saying that cause it's an imperialist wet dream and an ethnostate. His reasons are purely cynical.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#273734: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:39:54 AM

I am entirely sympathetic to Manning because she has every right to be... nervous is an understatement, but she simply cannot ignore a subpoena. She's in a shitty situation and that's a problem, but the solution isn't "ignore the rule of law."

To be frank I don't have a simple solution, but this isn't it.

[up] I am hoping you or I misread something because I just saw you respond to a post saying "David Duke [speaks] about the evils of Israel" with "he's right about Israel."

Edited by Larkmarn on Mar 8th 2019 at 1:42:19 PM

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#273735: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:41:16 AM

She's not actually being tried twice, though? From what I understand of the case, the first time she was tried for the leaks, and this time she was just being called in to testify as maybe part of a trial to get Assange, but refused, and so was arrested for that. And the first time it was in a court martial, so I don't know how that counts for the whole "can't be tried for the same thing twice" thing.

She's being tried for something that is related to her first offense, but she's not being tried for that same offense again.

Ok yeah, now I definitely don't have any doubts that this was Justified. The fact she was refusing to help them sink Assange just makes me even less sympathetic for Manning.

Ignore Subpoenas and face the consequences, play stupid games win stupid prizes.

And? Is that supposed to prove anything? Yeah, he's right about Israel but obviously he isn't saying that cause it's an imperialist wet dream and an ethnostate. His reasons are purely cynical.

Wow, you're saying a member of the KKK is right about Israel? You do realize that he almost certainly doesn't want a solution that's good for the Israeli people?

This is really gross.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 8th 2019 at 1:42:26 PM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#273736: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:45:17 AM

David Duke is an evil antisemitic bigot.

Israel has treated Palestinians and many Black Jewish immigrants despicably. Netanyahu is a horrible, vicious leader.

Both these things can be true.

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#273737: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:45:18 AM

Yeah, one really shouldn't be responding to the fact that a KKK Grand Wizard went on tour ranting about how evil Israel is with "he's right about Israel".

WTF.

Edited by M84 on Mar 9th 2019 at 2:46:48 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#273738: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:49:01 AM

David Duke is an evil antisemitic bigot.

Israel has treated Palestinians and many Black Jewish immigrants despicably. Netanyahu is a horrible, vicious leader.

Both these things can be true.

True but irrelevant, saying "yeah David Duke is right about Israel" is a disgusting sentiment in that he's a virulent anti-semite and thus in no way has good intentions towards Israel.

Anyone who agrees with him is tacitly endorsing ethnic cleansing at the least. Short of explicit anti-semitism that is literally the worst way to go about criticizing Israel, and if anything makes me even more leery of their support for Omar.

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golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#273739: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:49:24 AM

Christ did you guys actually read what I said? He's right that Israel is awful but that's the extent of how he's correct.

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#273740: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:49:41 AM

To clarify my point which I didn't think was clarifying, it's that the anti-Semitism in America is still incredibly strong and it's not so much a case of, "Pro Jews and Anti-Muslims" as there's quite a split there.

Even if there are many Evangelicals who believe they need to support Israel just so the apocalypse can happen in their lifetime.

They're not all of the rural Wh/Right vote.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 8th 2019 at 10:49:56 AM

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golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#273741: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:49:54 AM

Literally i SAID his intentions were cynical.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#273742: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:50:21 AM

Yeah, I don't think there's that many Klansman or Radical Right Wingers on these boards anymore.

But David Duke is not right about anything.

Including the sky being blue.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 8th 2019 at 10:52:31 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#273743: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:50:47 AM

Christ did you guys actually read what I said? He's right that Israel is awful but that's the extent of how he's correct.

Heres an idea, lets not say that David Duke is right about Israel? Ok?

Because even an ounce of thought will tell you that David Duke's means, ends, and views of Israel are extremely anti-semitic. There is literally no way to separate his views of Israel from his anti-semitism, saying he's right about Israel is literally endorsing anti-semitism.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 8th 2019 at 1:54:30 PM

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#273744: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:51:03 AM

I’m not surprised they said Duke was right. They also unironically used the word “zionist” in a negative way. Zionism literally just means wanting a homeland where Jewish people can be safe. There’s nothing bad about zionism. It’s a purely neutral term.

golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#273745: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:53:52 AM

Holy shit stop being so daft. Of course Duke has anti semitic intentions, that's why I said his reasons were purely cynical. I wasn't agreeing with his antisemitism.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#273746: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:54:36 AM

I honestly don’t understand how to properly use the word Zionism/Zionist. I’ve seen it used as an antisemitic slur against all Jewish people, as a neutral term like [up] said, and as a negative term by pro-Palestinian Jewish people to describe those who are pro-Israel but without questioning the abusive practices of the Netanyahu administration.

Can we back off [up] ? Their comment was crappy but if David Duke said the US has 50 states he’d technically be right, even though you should NEVER ever cite him on it, and op has clearly stated they didn’t intend their post as it was taken.

Edited by wisewillow on Mar 8th 2019 at 1:56:12 PM

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#273747: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:54:48 AM

[up][up] You did. You also said that he was right, tacitly endorsing his words.

You didn't say "he's right about Israel being fucked up" you explicitly said he's right about espousing the evils of Israel, and I don't think it should be surprising that he was obviously saying anti-semetic words on that tour. In other words, you're saying "I think the guy saying 'Death to Jews' was saying it for the wrong reason, but I'm not disagreeing with him."

Like, I don't think that's what you actually believe. But it is inarguably what you said. I know you misspoke awkwardly and I'm disappointed you're doubling down rather than realizing that words have meaning and it's kind of important to acknowledge that when you're talking about a topic like this.

Edited by Larkmarn on Mar 8th 2019 at 1:57:12 PM

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#273748: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:55:32 AM

Zionism in a modern context is tied to the remains of imperialism from the 19th and 20th centuries, and the Zionist movement in Israel has led to an ethnostate that forcefully sterilizes Muslims.

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#273749: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:55:33 AM

No, but you also said that the leader of the kkk was right. There’s never a time where it’s acceptable to say that.

And again, zionism is not some evil conspiracy to kill Palestinians. It’s just victims of genocide wanting a safe country to call their own.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#273750: Mar 8th 2019 at 10:56:30 AM

Holy shit stop being so daft. Of course Duke has anti semitic intentions, that's why I said his reasons were purely cynical. I wasn't agreeing with his antisemitism.

We aren't the ones being daft.

His views of Israel are intrinsically tied to his anti-semitism, as such you cannot say "with the exception of his anti-semitism he has the right views of Israel". It just doesn't work and makes you look like a giant anti-semite.

Now, maybe instead of doubling down, you could acknowledge that saying that was a terrible idea and in no way benefits the cause of Palestinian rights. Or maybe you'll double down some more. Based on your performance so far I think you'll probably do the latter.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 8th 2019 at 1:57:22 PM

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