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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Philadelphia has banned cash-less stores.
Edited by tclittle on Mar 7th 2019 at 6:50:36 AM
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."What's their reasoning behind this?I understand perfectly well that not everyone has a card or large sums of money in their bank account to make a payment by card possible but i wonder how long this will last for,it's convenient to pay without cash,take away the convenience and people will be less to shop,thus stores lose money
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I think you're misinterpreting it. The point isn't "you can't accept cards", it's "you must accept cash in addition to cards." It's like if I went to a Home Depot and the only registers available said "Credit Card only", but all I have is a 20 because I needed a box of screws.
Edited by TheRoguePenguin on Mar 7th 2019 at 5:04:12 AM
Here's this article
which describes the issue.
A top official in Philadelphia's Chamber of Commerce said that the ban will prevent Philadelphia from modernizing with the rest of the country. Cashless companies argue that cash slows down transactions when change needs to be counted and creates security risks for employees locking up at the end of the night.
Supporters of the new law, however, say that not accepting cash hurts poorer residents who may not be able to afford or qualify for a credit card or who want to avoid fees that come with changing cash into a prepaid debit card. Additionally, privacy advocates say that being forced to use a digital form of payment to buy things is a de facto requirement to share records of their purchases with third-party companies.
https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/03/07/day-777/
1/ Michael Cohen asked one of his attorneys last summer to raise the possibility of a pardon with Rudy Giuliani after the FBI raids on his home and offices. It was previously reported that Cohen's then-attorney Stephen Ryan discussed the possibility of a pardon with Giuliani. However, Cohen testified before the House Oversight Committee last week that "I have never asked for, nor would I accept, a pardon from Mr. Trump." Cohen's current attorney Lanny Davis says Cohen stands by his testimony because he made the statements after he withdrew from a Joint Defense Agreement with Trump and many of Trump's advisers. (Wall Street Journal / ABC News / Associated Press)
https://apnews.com/ddf70cc5587f4cd59c6f89cd7622db1d
📌 Day 683: Cohen believed Trump would offer him a pardon if he stayed on message during conversations with federal prosecutors. That was before Cohen implicated Trump under oath in the illegal hush-money scheme with Stormy Daniels, which could be used as part of Mueller's obstruction of justice probe in determining whether Trump tried to illegally influence a witness in the investigation. (CNN)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/30/politics/michael-cohen-pardon-expectation-donald-trump/index.html
2/ Giuliani said attorneys for several people facing scrutiny from the Justice Department's investigations into the Trump campaign and administration have reached out to him about presidential pardons for their clients. Giuliani refused to say which attorneys or which clients have contacted him about possible pardons. Giuliani claims he told them all that Trump would not consider granting pardons until long after the investigations are over. "I always gave one answer, and they always left disappointed," Mr. Giuliani said. (New York Times)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/giuliani-trump-pardons.html
3/ Cohen sued the Trump Organization, saying the company refused to pay $1.9 million in legal fees he's incurred. The Trump Organization promised in July 2017 to pay Cohen's legal bills while he was still employed by Trump, but stopped in June 2018 after Cohen began cooperating with federal prosecutors. (Bloomberg / New York Times / NBC News / CNN / Axios)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/michael-cohen-sues-the-trump-organization/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/michael-cohen-criminal-lawyer-guy-petrillo/index.html
📌 Day 466: The Trump campaign spent nearly $228,000 to pay for part of Michael Cohen's legal fees. Federal Election Commission records show three "legal consulting" payments made from the Trump campaign to a firm representing Cohen between October 2017 and January 2018. Cohen did not have a formal role in the Trump campaign and it's illegal to spend campaign funds for personal use. (ABC News)
📌 Day 459: Trump rejected speculation that Michael Cohen will flip, tweeting that he has "always liked and respected" his attorney. He added that "Most people will flip if the Government lets them out of trouble, even if it means lying or making up stories. Sorry, I don't see Michael doing that despite the horrible Witch Hunt and the dishonest media!" In a flurry of weekend tweets, Trump called New York Times journalist Maggie Haberman a "third rate reporter" and a Clinton "flunkie" following her report that Cohen could end up cooperating with federal officials as legal fees and possible criminal charges pile up. (Washington Post)
4/ Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen defended the Trump administration practice of separating migrant children from their families at the border. More than 2,700 children were separated from their parents and detained by Customs and Border Protection last year – some parents were deported without their children. In testimony before the House Homeland Security Committee, Nielsen insisted that there is a "real, serious and sustained crisis at our borders" and urged Congress to confront what she called a "humanitarian catastrophe" by changing laws to crack down on illegal border crossings. Immigration advocates have challenged the characterization that there's a national security crisis at the border. (New York Times / Associated Press / Vox / CNN / CBS News)
https://www.apnews.com/7f3c20e9596b4633ab077a405ff1da95
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/06/politics/family-separation-update-immigration-border/index.html
5/ John Kelly called Trump's border wall a "waste of money," and that the migrants who cross into the U.S. illegally are "overwhelmingly not criminals." Kelly said that the 18 months as the chief of staff were his "least" favorite job, but the most important one, because Trump "went from a guy who didn't know how the system works" to one "who understands how it works." (Politico / New York Times)
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/07/john-kelly-border-wall-1209344
Mitch McConnell won't bring an electoral reform bill to the Senate floor for a vote, calling it "offensive to average voters." The bill contains reforms to automatic voter registration, early voting, endorsement of D.C. statehood and independent oversight of House redistricting. It is slated to pass the House this week. (Politico)
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/06/mcconnell-election-reform-bill-1207702
A federal judge ruled that Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross acted in "bad faith," broke several laws and violated the constitution when he added a citizenship question to the 2020 Census. The Supreme Court will review a related, narrower decision starting on April 23. (Washington Post)
Leaked documents show the U.S. government maintains a secret database of activists, journalists, and social media influencers with ties to the 2018 migrant caravan. In certain cases, Customs and Border Patrol officials placed alerts on their passports to flag them for screening at the border. Some of the people being tracked have a large "X" over their photo, indicating whether they have been arrested, interviewed, or had their documents revoked by officials. Some agents even created dossiers on each listed person. Two of the dossiers were labeled with the names of journalists, who were also listed as targets for secondary screenings at the border. "We are a criminal investigation agency, we’re not an intelligence agency," a Homeland Security source explained. "We can’t create dossiers on people and they’re creating dossiers. This is an abuse of the Border Search Authority." (NBC San Diego)
📌Day 776: ICE has been keeping tabs on a series of left-leaning and "anti-Trump protests" in New York City. The agency tracked protests that promoted immigrants' rights and those that opposed Trump's deportation policies, plus one protest against the NRA and one that was organized by a sitting member of Congress. (The Nation)
https://www.thenation.com/article/ice-immigration-protest-spreadsheet-tracking/
And the longest of any of the Mueller probe defendants to date.
Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 7th 2019 at 6:24:51 AM
Manafort is getting just under four years in prison in his first trial.
That's just 11 months more than what Cohen got.
"First trial". Doesn't that mean there's more possible convictions coming up?
Honestly, what this says to me is that there's something stupid going on with the US financial sector (though how long it took to adopt chip and PIN stuff...). The idea of not being able to afford debit cards just baffles me.
The privacy advocate argument is irrelevant. You're not being forced to shop there.
Yes? But it also excludes the existence of non-prepaid debit cards, or I suppose charge cards if we want to look at the credit card angle for another thing.
It boggles my mind that there can exist, in a first world nation, a situation where you can't have cashless payment.
Over here, at 16 and with no money but a need to have a bank account, I still got a debit card.
More people than you might think don't have a bank account: 6.5 percent of households last year.
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Manafort's other trial could tack 10 years onto it, and that judge seems less likely to go lenient on him than Elliot, who clearly had a bias during the trial.
Edited by TheRoguePenguin on Mar 7th 2019 at 6:52:35 AM
Uhm, the law isn't about forcing people to not use a debit card, it's simply about making it so that stores can't just force you to use only those.
I mean, if I'm only spending like two dollars on a soda, why would I want to use a debit card when I've got a few dollars cash on me? Seems kind of silly to me. (There's also the fact that people can sometimes lose their cards but still have some cash on hand.)
Cash is "legal tender for all debts public and private". It could be seen as illegal to refuse it, although that's never been rigorously enforced unless there's some ulterior motive at play.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 7th 2019 at 10:02:31 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I used to work in a cash-less supermarket, here in the Netherlands. You can pull that stuff here because pretty much everyone has a debitcard with a chip for swiping. It really sped up the process of checking out, and we felt much safer for it because there was no cash to steal.
Come to think of it, you can't really live here in the Netherlands without a bank account. Plenty of services only accept card, and you can't even pay taxes with cash.
Doing a little bit of googling about it, none of the articles I find mention people that can not have a bank account for whatever reason. They only mention those that won't have one for ideological reasons. They also mention this development towards the cash-less society to be causing trouble for elderly and people that have trouble processing numbers.
Well, that's a shame. I am personally in favour of the cash-less society, but the infrastructure would need to be expanded and adjusted to make sure everyone can participate in it.
I am firmly against it, for a number of reasons.
1. (and maybe most important): I really don't want the government to be able to make every single purchase I make.
2. It disconnects you from your money and the awareness how much you spend. Especially if you are using a credit card system instead of a debit card system. How this affects private debt, well, compare private debt in Germany (sorry, but Germany is the only highly developed economy I know which is still hanging onto cash) with private debt in the US and the UK. The tendency of the Germans to hold onto cash is only one aspect in this, but an important one
3. It basically means that I am forced to pay for the honour to pay.

Compromise is impossible because it's not a winning strategy. GOP has refused to compromise during the Obama era and this has earned them the control of the house, the senate, the presidency for 2 years, and at least 2 supreme court seats for decades. The Dems have regained control of the house by refusing to compromise with Trump and the GOP.
Clearly, a refusal to compromise is a winning strategy. The first rule of power is to obtain and maintain power. If you want compromise to return, change the game so compromise is no longer a losing strategy.