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Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#273526: Mar 7th 2019 at 7:30:07 AM

How many Americans truly hate the other political party? About 1 in 4.

It also asked whether people believed a party was “a threat to the nation's well-being” — which seems to augur closer to hate. You can passively dislike something else, but believing it is a threat to your country probably connotes something approaching an active hatred.

In this case, 45 percent of Republicans hate the Democrats, and 41 percent of Democrats hate the Republicans. That's 26.5 percent of all registered voters, or about 53 million people in total.

That's not the final number, though. You also have some independents who hate one political party but don't necessarily see fit to join the opposite party. I asked Pew about this, and it sent over some numbers: 18 percent of independents see the GOP as a threat, and 19 percent see the Democratic Party as a threat. Applying that to the 34 percent of registered voters who describe themselves as independents, and there's another 25 million people who hate one side or another, for a grand total of 78 million — or 39 percent of all registered voters

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#273527: Mar 7th 2019 at 7:32:38 AM

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#273528: Mar 7th 2019 at 7:35:56 AM

IIRC only like 1 in 3 people actually vote, so those statistics aren't that shocking.

Voter apathy is huge in the U.S.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 7th 2019 at 8:36:23 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#273529: Mar 7th 2019 at 7:38:42 AM

And that article is from June 2017. It's not based on recent data.

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Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#273530: Mar 7th 2019 at 7:39:01 AM

55% of the voting age population votes,and 86% of registered voters vote.

[up] Do you think the numbers have gone down?

Edited by Soban on Mar 7th 2019 at 10:40:07 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#273531: Mar 7th 2019 at 7:42:14 AM

[up]If you want to make a point based on polling data, it behooves you to use more recent polls. Polls that are nearly two years old? Not that helpful.

Because you know, a lot can happen in nearly two years.

Edited by M84 on Mar 7th 2019 at 11:42:42 PM

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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#273532: Mar 7th 2019 at 7:45:43 AM

Do you think the numbers have gone down?

From the data given, there's no way to know if it's gone up, down or stayed the same. In other words, this data is almost worthless.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#273533: Mar 7th 2019 at 7:56:41 AM

[up][up][up] So, 45% of the voting age population ISN’T VOTING. That is a huge goddamn issue moreso than the party issues you brought up. Although at this point, it’s pretty much impossible to deny that the Republican Party is actively destroying democratic norms and violating civil rights. That’s their entire stance.

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#273534: Mar 7th 2019 at 7:57:39 AM

The national security agencies do have the power to detain and hold someone suspected of espionage or terrorism if they pose a "clear and present" danger

That seems very broad and ripe for abuse.

GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#273535: Mar 7th 2019 at 8:00:29 AM

Yeah. It is, isn't it.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#273536: Mar 7th 2019 at 8:04:23 AM

Isn't that how we got all that Guantanamo Bay nonsense?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#273537: Mar 7th 2019 at 8:16:18 AM

An article listing some of the more prominent Trump scandals and what parallels, if any, exist between this and past presidential scandals.

https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-russia-mueller-investigation-scandal-c3023a26-b2b9-443b-aee5-ded4f0e6bc44.html

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Lost in Space
#273538: Mar 7th 2019 at 8:21:06 AM

[up][up] Quite correct, although Guantanamo Bay is predicated less on domestic security and more on the idea that the detainees are enemy combatants and thus not subject to civil justice. It depends on which reason will seem more convincing at the time, I guess.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 7th 2019 at 11:21:42 AM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#273539: Mar 7th 2019 at 8:38:33 AM

Manafort is set to be sentenced today. The prosecution wants between 19 and 25 years, which would likely be a life sentence for a 70 year old man whose health is apparently failing.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/paul-manafort-sentencing-virginia-case-russia-investigation/index.html

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Lost in Space
#273540: Mar 7th 2019 at 8:41:48 AM

His defense team really wants everyone to know that he's old and sick. It generates sympathy, supposedly. He wasn't too sick to commit bank fraud and launder tens of millions of dollars, or to betray his country for cash.

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#273541: Mar 7th 2019 at 9:17:36 AM

"But it's a life sentence!" Don't commit crimes when you're old, then. Younger prisoners can die too.

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#273542: Mar 7th 2019 at 9:18:46 AM

Manafort is set to be sentenced today. The prosecution wants between 19 and 25 years, which would likely be a life sentence for a 70 year old man whose health is apparently failing.

GOOD.

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
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Lost in Space
#273543: Mar 7th 2019 at 9:19:28 AM

Plus, he's shown absolutely no signs of remorse as he has suborned his plea deal and cooperation agreement to continue lying and act as a mole for Trump's lawyers. He kept doing the things he was in trouble for while he was in trouble for them. He's demonstrated nothing but contempt for the rule of law. If anyone deserves to be hit with the maximum penalty, it's him.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 7th 2019 at 12:20:15 PM

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Lost in Space
#273545: Mar 7th 2019 at 9:23:19 AM

Stone is even worse. He hasn't just shown contempt for the justice system; he has outright threatened a judge. It feels like it's only a matter of time before his bail is revoked and he's a permanent guest in a federal prison.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 7th 2019 at 12:23:39 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#273546: Mar 7th 2019 at 9:23:27 AM

Manafort's prison term is the result solely of his constant attempts to jerry rig the system.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#273547: Mar 7th 2019 at 10:27:45 AM

Senator Sherrod Brown (D-OH, heh hehtongue) has ruled out a run for President.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/paul-manafort-sentencing-virginia-case-russia-investigation/index.html

Good, Ohio is getting redder but he clearly has a solution to winning there, and the Dems need every Senate seat they can get. And besides, he's still useful as a Midwest surrogate.

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Disasturbator
#273548: Mar 7th 2019 at 10:50:14 AM

There's already loads of people running,yeah I get why all these people are running you know most won't make it round the track,its tough race to run if it's your first one

Like running a marathon only it drains your bank balance

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ciyinwanderer Since: Dec, 2018
#273549: Mar 7th 2019 at 10:51:07 AM

So glad to hear that. I like Sherrod but he is definitely most helpful in the Senate, where he has done good work. Him making the primaries more crowded would achieve nothing (except the long shot of Ohioans getting to brag about yet another president from our state).

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#273550: Mar 7th 2019 at 11:14:17 AM

While it's not US politics, it does relate to Ilhan Omar's comments regarding Israel.

Israel's Central Election Committee has given the go-ahead to far-right Jewish candidates to run while disqualifying the entry of an Arab party that Netanyahu accused of supporting terrorism. Emphasis added.

The Central Elections Committee’s decisions, taken late on Wednesday, were unlikely to be implemented before court appeals, but stoked an already acrimonious race for the April 9 vote.

Facing a corruption case and a merger of centrist parties that could defeat him, the conservative Netanyahu has allied with an ultra-nationalist list that includes the Jewish Power party to boost his chances.

The elections committee, made up of members of the outgoing parliament, struck down motions that had sought to bar as racist Jewish Power’s Michael Ben-Ari and Itamar Ben-Gvir, who are adherents of late anti-Arab rabbi Meir Kahane.

Left-wing party Meretz said it would appeal, along with center-left Labour, to the Supreme Court against the decision to let the Jewish Power candidates stand.

The committee also voted 17-10 to bar the joint Arab party Raam-Balad from the election in accordance with a motion filed by Netanyahu’s ruling Likud party. Likud says the Balad faction wants to eliminate Israel as a Jewish state and backs Palestinian and Lebanese militants.

Raam-Balad, a mix of Islamist and Arab nationalists, describes itself as a democratic movement opposed to Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory.

“We have a fierce argument with Zionism,” Mansour Abbas, who heads the Raam faction, told Reuters.

Raam-Balad now holds eight of parliament’s 120 seats. Candidates of other parties representing Israel’s 20 percent Arab minority remain eligible to run.

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