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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#273501: Mar 6th 2019 at 8:21:05 PM

[up] It’s legitimizing them by treating their dumb, childish, stunt, like it actually deserves attention and outrage.

All it does, is give them a platform.

Edited by megaeliz on Mar 6th 2019 at 11:26:45 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#273502: Mar 6th 2019 at 8:23:45 PM

They're government officials, they do deserve attention, and what kind depends on the merit of their actions. Doing stupid things means they deserved to get called out on it.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#273503: Mar 6th 2019 at 8:28:21 PM

Trolls gotta troll, yo.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#273504: Mar 6th 2019 at 8:54:48 PM

Oh, joy. Here we go, back to the days where the US military doesn't give a fuck about any civilian collateral casualties of their drone strikes in the Greater Middle East.

To be fair, it’s not like they cared even when they did have to disclose the details. It’s just going to be business as usual but their press officers will have a lot less to do.

The real question is why this was a policy objective for Trump. The military doesn’t care either way, this seems to be what conservatives like to call “virtue signaling”. As ever, something they accuse everyone else of doing while they themselves do it nonstop.

They should have sent a poet.
Imca (Veteran)
#273505: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:02:51 PM

Its also not the US military causing most of the casulites.... Drone ops operated by the actual military have less collateral damage then missions carried out with boots in the sky.

....

Its the CIA causing the majority of collateral damage with there drone ops, because they have zero oversight. It helps to go after the right target.

Edited by Imca on Mar 6th 2019 at 9:06:13 AM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#273506: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:35:32 PM

A page back, but the study Soban linked was about Wikipedia editing - although I find it interesting that the polarized teams produce the better articles.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
KeybladeMaster Leader of the Harp Seals from Portland, TN Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Leader of the Harp Seals
#273507: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:43:04 PM

"ICE has been keeping tabs on a series of left-leaning and "anti-Trump protests" in New York City. The agency tracked protests that promoted immigrants' rights and those that opposed Trump's deportation policies, plus one protest against the NRA and one that was organized by a sitting member of Congress."

Like that can't be legal, I mean I know that the U.S. has a frightening amount of leeway with surveillance, but there has to be someway to legally challenge this right?

Keyblade Master was here
Imca (Veteran)
#273508: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:46:23 PM

[up] Not really no, the goverment is allowed to do just about any thing in the name of national security post 9/11.

KeybladeMaster Leader of the Harp Seals from Portland, TN Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Leader of the Harp Seals
#273509: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:48:18 PM

[up]You know, you're right, I don't know why this surprised me.

Edited by KeybladeMaster on Mar 6th 2019 at 11:48:32 AM

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#273510: Mar 6th 2019 at 10:00:11 PM

Well, in some good news, Cohen has reportedly submitted more evidence to Congress, this time proof that Jay Sekulow (one of Trump's former attorneys) edited Cohen's (false) statement about the Moscow project that he'd submitted to Congress afterward.

What form this proof takes, however, is unknown, as it was a closed-door session.

Edited by ironballs16 on Mar 6th 2019 at 1:04:19 PM

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#273511: Mar 6th 2019 at 10:09:53 PM

Stripping Trump of all attorneys would be a benefit, though.

I'm amazed anyone is still willing to help him.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#273512: Mar 6th 2019 at 10:15:24 PM

I'm not sure that's a great idea...Public Defenders do a lot of good and I hate to have one forced to represent Trump.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#273513: Mar 7th 2019 at 1:46:14 AM

And the poor guys are already overworked enough as-is.

Speaking of, has there been any attempt at improving the quality of Public Defense services? 'Cause last time I checked, your average public defender has about 15 minutes to actually talk to their client before a trial, and little in the way of resources to help their client.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#273514: Mar 7th 2019 at 5:00:50 AM

Like that can't be legal, I mean I know that the U.S. has a frightening amount of leeway with surveillance, but there has to be someway to legally challenge this right?
Should be noted that this kind of thing is not new. Back in the '60s, the FBI and NSA wiretapped Martin Luther freaking King, believing him to be a dangerous anarchist.

Not saying it's right, of course.

Edited by speedyboris on Mar 7th 2019 at 7:02:58 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#273515: Mar 7th 2019 at 5:15:51 AM

Isn't there a law that says something to the effect of "the POTUS can incarcerate any US citizen that is deemed a threat to the nation" or something along those lines?

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#273516: Mar 7th 2019 at 5:20:28 AM

(nvm)

Edited by Medinoc on Mar 7th 2019 at 2:20:38 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#273517: Mar 7th 2019 at 5:24:31 AM

> Isn't there a law that says something to the effect of "the POTUS can incarcerate any US citizen that is deemed a threat to the nation" or something along those lines?

No law would permit the president to abuse his authority like that,unless you actively threaten the president's life then they'll do want they want with you

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#273518: Mar 7th 2019 at 5:49:24 AM

The President could try to order the FBI to arrest someone if they violated federal law, but eventually they have to go before a judge, who ultimately decides what will happen with them.

This only applies to US citizens, of course. ICE was probably checking out the immigrant rights protest to see if any illegals showed up.

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Lost in Space
#273519: Mar 7th 2019 at 5:51:21 AM

The national security agencies do have the power to detain and hold someone suspected of espionage or terrorism if they pose a "clear and present" danger, but this power is not unlimited, and any prosecutions would have to be turned over to civil authority.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#273520: Mar 7th 2019 at 6:39:11 AM

I'm not sure that's a great idea...Public Defenders do a lot of good and I hate to have one forced to represent Trump.
Then just force/trick Trump into representing himself. There, problem solved... with the delicious benefit of high likelihood that he'll almost immediately get himself in contempt of court just by being himself, thereby adding to the already huge mountain of charges upon him.

Also, if it wasn't clear, I do not consider Trump and his ilk deserving of the right to a public attorney should he be unable to hire one.

Edited by MarqFJA on Mar 7th 2019 at 5:40:30 PM

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Lost in Space
#273521: Mar 7th 2019 at 6:42:13 AM

"Being unable to hire one" is kind of nonsense for Trump: the only way he couldn't get an attorney is if none is willing to represent him, not if he can't pay. (Well, he may renege on paying, but that's a different issue.)

The Constitutional requirement is clear: all defendants have the absolute right to counsel. It doesn't matter how bad they are.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#273522: Mar 7th 2019 at 6:53:00 AM

Trump representing himself in court is a rather hilarious mental image

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#273523: Mar 7th 2019 at 6:56:03 AM

I wouldn't wish representing Trump on the worst public defender in the world, but it's extremely unlikely to come to that. The biggest problem I foresee for any trial proceeding is his attorneys literally being unable to work with him due to his narcissism, and informing the judge that they cannot stay on the case.

If that happens, we could get an unprecedented situation where he is declared unfit to stand trial and remanded to a mental institution.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 7th 2019 at 10:00:37 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#273524: Mar 7th 2019 at 6:58:18 AM

I'm sure there's at least one attorney in the USA stupid enough / greedy enough / hateful enough to be willing to represent Trump.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#273525: Mar 7th 2019 at 7:28:00 AM

I'm gonna laugh if it winds up being Giuliani.

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