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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#273226: Mar 2nd 2019 at 1:29:45 AM

It is not merely a Republican issue. A lot of US states have these oddball exceptions, including deep blue ones like California. The US in general has a weird relationship with child marriage law that has raised criticism in the past.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#273227: Mar 2nd 2019 at 1:34:17 AM

Fair, but the important part is that the law was just challenged and Republicans voted to keep it, rather than the fact of the law in general.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#273228: Mar 2nd 2019 at 1:40:49 AM

That said, the comments and CVs of the opponents are certainly eyebrow raising. And the "Holding up states where residents must be 18 to get married"/" Yet Idaho is just one leader in a disturbingly crowded field." make me wonder a little about the why.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#273229: Mar 2nd 2019 at 2:01:01 AM

India, notably, has made it totally illegal just last month. Also, that anyone who practices it is guilty of rape.

So good on them.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#273230: Mar 2nd 2019 at 5:43:39 AM

Rep. Christy Zito, R-Hammett, complained that the bill would make it illegal for a 15-year-old girl to get married but not to get an abortion.

Nice to know they have their priorities straight.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Bur from Flyover Country (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#273232: Mar 2nd 2019 at 7:21:11 AM

We had the same thing going on in Missouri last year, though it ended with minimum marriage age without a judge being raised from fifteen to sixteen. ...yay...

Edited by Bur on Mar 2nd 2019 at 9:21:28 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#273233: Mar 2nd 2019 at 7:46:11 AM

Shoutout to sgamer: Republicans in Idaho vote to keep child marriage legal in the state. Their reasoning: government shouldn't get involved in marriages, it would give it too much power. I wonder if they said the same thing for same-sex cerimonies
Good work, Idaho... Good work...

In response to that last bit, not sure what any politicians said at the time but two of my roommates are a same-sex married couple and have never had any serious issue with it in the state that I know of.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#273234: Mar 2nd 2019 at 7:59:49 AM

Is this "marrying a 16 year old is allowed" or "it is allowed if the parents agree"?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#273235: Mar 2nd 2019 at 8:40:00 AM

According to current law seems like it might require both.

Also, a bit of statistics.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#273236: Mar 2nd 2019 at 8:51:04 AM

It's usually less about "the parents agree" and more "the parents are pressuring the kid into it."

KeybladeMaster Leader of the Harp Seals from Portland, TN Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
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#273237: Mar 2nd 2019 at 8:58:13 AM

Republicans put up an anti-Muslim display equating rep.Ilhan Omar to a terrorist in the West Virginia statehouse. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/gop-s-anti-muslim-display-likening-rep-omar-terrorist-rocks-n978371

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#273238: Mar 2nd 2019 at 9:03:11 AM

That's so childish I'm tempted to suggest those responsible need to sit in the time out corner to think about what they've done,other then that this typical of them,invoking the memories of 911 then pointing to someone unrelated

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#273239: Mar 2nd 2019 at 9:20:04 AM

[up][up][up] Isn't there a law against forced marriage? If parents pressuring children into it is such a concern, wouldn't it make more sense to say "okay, in addition to parental permission Child Protection has to speak with the bride"?

I mean, I am not that passionate about the issue, since those age lines are very arbitrary. Younger than 16 is iffy because of biological reasons, older than 16 is usually preferable because most 16 year olds have still a lot of emotional maturing to do, but if that's the issue, than you would have to set the line at 21 or something like this. Or make "already has a job and stands on her/his own feed" a requirement.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 2nd 2019 at 9:20:21 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#273240: Mar 2nd 2019 at 9:32:47 AM

> Isn't there a law against forced marriage?

There probably is but states dont like Washington bossing them about so how its enforced depends on the state

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#273241: Mar 2nd 2019 at 9:36:59 AM

The Idaho law that was linked does in fact require a doctor to testify that the child is mentally and physically fit to "assume full marital duties."

The thing is, the kid doesn't want to rock the boat, and isn't going to say anything that'll get her parents in trouble. I mean, that's the case for all types of abuse.

Edited by Clarste on Mar 2nd 2019 at 9:40:31 AM

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#273242: Mar 2nd 2019 at 9:52:25 AM

full marital duties

This phrase makes me want to barf.

Bur from Flyover Country (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#273243: Mar 2nd 2019 at 9:53:44 AM

That reminds me of some very nasty turns of phrase regarding how girls can appear physically mature and that’s good enough.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#273244: Mar 2nd 2019 at 9:53:56 AM

[up][up][up] ... Excuse me, WHAT THE FUCK!?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#273245: Mar 2nd 2019 at 10:12:46 AM

The sad thing is, the only part of this Idaho story that surprises me is that a few Republicans voted in favor of the bill.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#273246: Mar 2nd 2019 at 10:17:50 AM

@Swanpride: Frankly, I think setting marriagible age at 21 would be for the best.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#273247: Mar 2nd 2019 at 10:20:26 AM

Yah know, I think that marriage is a dated concept to begin with, and that governments should just do away with it and leave the temples to figure it out if they want. But then the government would have no way to put a stop to exactly this kind of fuckery, so we can't do that yet.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#273248: Mar 2nd 2019 at 10:26:14 AM

The upside: Divorce is nowadays easier, too. Which doesn't help the victims of forced marriage, but allows those who were just young and stupid an out.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 2nd 2019 at 10:27:05 AM

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#273249: Mar 2nd 2019 at 10:56:00 AM

[up]Also those who were old and wise but just fell out of love with time.

Might be a petty thing, but the framing of divorce as exclusively a response to failure is a pet peeve of mine. Just because a marriage is not eternal it didn't mean it was a disaster. Sometimes people just grow apart and that should be fine. And divorce is the best options on those cases as well.

Edited by Heatth on Mar 2nd 2019 at 3:56:20 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#273250: Mar 2nd 2019 at 11:09:19 AM

sure. but young people, well, they usually haven't really settled in live yet, and most of them don't even have an idea what they want from live in the first place. Marriage is/should be a live-long commitment. Hence if you intend to pursue it, it's better to wait some time.

Fun fact: In Germany marriage has become something you do after you have already lived with your partner for a couple of years.


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