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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I'll point out that "decriminalizing sex work" doesn't mean decriminalizing purchasing sex. So it protects sex workers while keeping the punishments for Johns, which TBH is something I am totally comfortable with.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 26th 2019 at 3:45:14 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang![]()
Yeah, criminalization of prostitution makes sex trafficking worse, not better.
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They'll spin anything. "You go high, we go low." There's no point worrying about it.
Sex work should be decriminalized, prostitutes should get to pay taxes and get retirement and social security.
I don't see that Johns, or James, are doing anything wrong either.
Now pimps, on the other hand...
Edited by Oruka on Feb 26th 2019 at 12:53:00 PM
Problem is that sex-work, legal or not, is a hot-bed for criminal activity of all stripes, but especially human trafficking. It's why legal sex work is being severely diminished here in Amsterdam.
Well, that, and all the bloody tourists clogging up the inner city to do some window shopping, but that's besides the point.
Well, to offer a different perspective, the prevailing interpretation in the Marxist circles I frequent is that solicitation of prostitutes is a a form of rape. Essentially, to them, since all labor is coerced, sex work is coerced sex, and therefore is rape, the idea being that if they were offered that money — which they desperately need to survive — in exchange for nothing, they'd take it. But that money is only offered as part of a transaction for sex, so they have sex against perhaps their better judgment.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Plenty of sex workers would find that condescending as hell and say they’d rather get $50 an hour for sex on their own schedule and terms than $7.25 an hour stocking shelves. I’d link an article by a sex worker, but the tumblr purge deleted her page and all her posts.
Edited by wisewillow on Feb 26th 2019 at 4:07:08 AM
They could fix that by not exposing the workers on windows like objects, as well as other ostentatious red light district nonsense. Those aesthetic problems are easy to regulate away.
As for the rest, like I said, criminalize pimping. The problem here is the intersection of capitalist exploitation with sexism and unenforced foreign worker laws.
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Edited by Oruka on Feb 26th 2019 at 1:13:02 AM
Regardless of whether or not legalization is worth it, I think it should be clear that decriminalization of sex work (i.e the act of being a sex worker) is necessary.
No sex worker should be thrown in jail because they reported their rape.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 26th 2019 at 4:14:53 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangIf they're facing legal action for "acting in a manner that the workers would dislike to the point of reporting them," wouldn't that be a feature, not a bug? You would want to weed out the dangerous clientele.
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That's true of any private enterprise. Generally, rape cases should be treated with a lot of discretion and confidentiality. And, if that's violated, prostitutes should be allowed to sue the client for damages.
However, honestly, good riddance to any client that goes away for fear of being accused of rape. At best, they assume bad faith, at worst, they're knowingly considering they might rape you.
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Beat me to it!
That too.
What's up with that?
Edited by Oruka on Feb 26th 2019 at 1:29:37 AM
Also, general reminder that cops are statistically much more likely to be domestic abusers than the average person.
So even setting aside historical bad treatment of sex workers by cops, there’s that as well.
There are also far more mundane issues to consider such as the privacy of sex worker and client, that's been a major issue in Switzerland where prostitution is legal but law enforcement (understandably) wants to monitor it.
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"What's up with that?!" - a combination of Power Corrupts and the thin blue line - other officers will be more willing to cover up the "indiscretions" of a fellow officer than they would for a non-officer. A drunk-driving incident here, a petty-theft daughter there... it adds up, but they don't consider it.
And yeah, the "workers need to vet their Johns" part is why the SESTA was controversial
, as it also shut down sites that sex workers used to avoid being out on the street, as well as communities in which they relayed information about problematic clients.
Edited by ironballs16 on Feb 26th 2019 at 5:04:45 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Another problem with SESTA-FOSTA
is that it has led to a LGBT-phobic pattern of enforcement. And that, if memory serves, is a common problem with such laws in general.
On the eve of Cohen's Congressional testimony, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) openly threatened him on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/soledadobrien/status/1100513511959080960

After all, a lot of the reasons women in positions like those don't come to the police is that they justifiably believe that they'll be arrested for the prostitution.