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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Is upgrading every U.S. building (as outlined in the GND
) feasible?
The GND says no new nuclear power plants will be built (existing ones will stay).
Edited by Spinosegnosaurus77 on Feb 25th 2019 at 10:09:19 AM
Peace is the only battle worth waging.Can you give me a link on "no new nuclear plants"? There really is no way to get there in a cost effective manner without additional nuclear. Renewables alone wont do it. The problem isnt production costs, its storage (nuclear continuously produces more power than can be used in a local setting, so storage isnt an issue).
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Apparently it’s not in there despite being part of the official FAQ.
My bad.
Edited by Spinosegnosaurus77 on Feb 25th 2019 at 10:18:18 AM
Peace is the only battle worth waging.The resolution itself doesn't mention nuclear power, technically. It does however say 100% renewables is the goal, and most nuclear power isn't technically renewable.
Add that to the earlier faq from AOC's office which stated they didn't want new nuclear plants, and well...
Disgusted, but not surprisedWe aren't going 100% renewable unless there is some sort of breakthrough in energy storage technology. We dont have to go 100% nuclear, though, because electric cars connected to a smart grid every night do provide considerable additional storage, enough to cover a windless week, roughly, but that wont be enough by itself.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.Is that for residential or industrial though? Because industrial is just on a scale of its own, we are talking 1/3rd of a gas fired plants output for a single steel mill. I am not sure electric cars as storage can cover that.
....
Though we have kind of just made a major break through in efficient storage, density is still a problem.
Most problems with hunting comes from places where it is not regulated and endengered animals aren't protected like, well, more African countries than you can shake a stick at.
Quite a lot of the early figures in the Conservation movement were interested in hunting. George Bird Grinnell, was the first editor of the Forest and Stream Magazine, was one of the chief advocates of early ideas about Conservation and habitat protection in his editorials. He and TR founded the Boone and Crocket Club, and helped bring the language of conservation into the national consciousness.
I mean, it makes sense. If you like hunting and other outdoor activities, it's very important to have places to do so.
Edited by megaeliz on Feb 25th 2019 at 10:37:31 AM
@Imca: Yes. Assuming that a regional power grid were being supplied by solar, supplemented by wind, converting all private ground transportation in that region to electric would create sufficient storage to cover about 5 windless nights (if we supplement with pumped storage, we can about double that). Mind you, when I say "storage" I really mean that the chargers stay off all night. That creates additional capacity that can be used elsewhere. When you factor in buying back electricity stored in consumers' car batteries the amount available increases again. But both scenarios only last until the consumer must recharge their car.
Edited by DeMarquis on Feb 25th 2019 at 10:44:15 AM
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.... No feedback on my question about Beau of the Fifth Column?
G.O.P. Tries to Hold Down Defections Before Vote to Block Trump’s Emergency – With some Republicans worried over precedent, party leaders are scrambling to hold their troops in line ahead of a House vote to reject President Trump’s emergency declaration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/25/us/politics/national-emergency-republicans.html
I mean, if they're scrambling to get defectors into line, that says to me that they're worried about it getting a veto-proof majority in the senate- Like, if it was just Murkowski and Collins and Rand Paul and people like that, they'd probably just say 'well, whatever, they're voting like that because that's how they play to their base, and since Trump's just going to veto it anyway, it's not like it matters.'
But if there's sizeable number of defectors- well beyond the usual suspects- then the narrative becomes 'Trump clashes with GOP' and that's a narrative that's bad for both of them.
Regarding the "price tags" for the Green New Deal, I just have to wonder if people are confusing spending with loans; investment programs usually are the latter the key difference is that the entities that receive loans need to pay them back at some point.
If people are claiming that a government loaning out 93 trillion dollars or whatever has a "price tag" of 93 trillion dollars or whatever, you aren't looking at a price tag. You are looking at accounting fraud and an attempt at misrepresenting things.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanSanders is starting his campaign against his racist or at least culturally insensitive image by talking about his past protesting segregation and saying he's been targeted for racist ads.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.He's actually a left-winger. A straight-up socio-anarchist at times, in fact, with the added bonus of having some better insight in the mindset of southern US country people than most left-wingers. He did a pretty good series on potentially sensible gun legislation. Also the way police training in the US declined in recent decades, resulting in people getting killed senselessly. And, as banal as the inciting incident was, I enjoyed his take on the whole Gillette riot.
I don't quite agree with him on everything (the whole "anarchism" thing just doesn't scale up beyond small communities all that well, if you ask me), but he's not calling for molotov cocktails as the primary means of political discourse, so he's cool in my book.
Edited by Kayeka on Feb 25th 2019 at 8:39:02 PM

To add to what Wisewillow said here, the GND isn't spending money willy nilly, it's an investment in the future. The upfront cost will be paid back in the energy, health, social services, and infrastructure costs we save and the natural disasters we will avoid by curbing climate change.
To use a very minor comparision; Buying a low flow shower head can cost between $10 to $40 bucks. Sure, that's money you have to spend upfront, but the money you save from using less water thanks to the showerhead will usually amount to the same you spent before a year, so it basically pays for itself. Then you keep on saving money afterwards while consuming less water, so it's a win-win.
So what I'm saying is, the GND is like taking a shower. But the water is money. And that's about as far as I can stretch this metaphor.
Edited by Parable on Feb 25th 2019 at 6:58:15 AM