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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#272701: Feb 24th 2019 at 5:38:13 PM

...Uh-huh.

I'm just going to throw out that I think that Democrats should make advancing worker's rights a part of their platform, and...well, charity begins at home, as they say.

I was working under the assumption that host was being ironic, but I'll leave it to someone who knows Pod Save America better than I to confirm.

[up] Just to be clear, he was joking there.
Like so.

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 24th 2019 at 6:39:01 AM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#272702: Feb 24th 2019 at 5:40:33 PM

I left this part out but after the audience stops laughing and clapping at that, he adds at the end, laughingly: "Stop it. That's nonsense!"

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#272703: Feb 24th 2019 at 5:42:15 PM

Ah, okay.

Some context probably would have been appreciate, but thanks for clarifying.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#272704: Feb 24th 2019 at 11:34:14 PM

I had the best idea ever (after Vaccines, Synthetic Fertilizers, Water Treatment, Sliced Bread, and TV Tropes):

The next presidential candidate running against Trump should have their slogan be "Hindsight is 2020"

Edited by Protagonist506 on Feb 24th 2019 at 11:35:54 AM

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#272705: Feb 24th 2019 at 11:36:00 PM

As has been proposed before.

Honestly, I don't really like it - seems too gloating. I'm worried that might alienate people.

Oh God! Natural light!
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#272706: Feb 24th 2019 at 11:45:04 PM

It could definitely be taken as smug.

Do not obey in advance.
singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#272707: Feb 25th 2019 at 12:13:44 AM

Also we'd lose far too many votes when there isn't a person named hindsight on the ballot.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#272708: Feb 25th 2019 at 1:15:05 AM

>With women in combat roles, a federal court rules male-only draft unconstitutional

What's been fun has been watching all the MRAs try to spin this as some sort of victory over the world-controlling evil that is feminism... Ignoring that feminists have been pushing for this for years.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#272709: Feb 25th 2019 at 2:08:40 AM

My best friend in Florida compared it to the episode of Bojack Horseman regarding women and guns.

For decades women have been trying to accomplish this in liberal courts but the moment it's by people who aren't of their demographic, it succeeds.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#272710: Feb 25th 2019 at 4:34:19 AM

If your treating it as pre-emptive recovery then it is even worse for the opposite reason.... not doing enough.

The basic economic structure right now is unsustainable as rising populations and automation mean that more and more people are just flat out unemployable.... New jobs and wealth redistribution just delay the inevitable on that front... they don't fix it, they just kick the can down the road. Sooner or later we are just going to flat out need to face the fact that the very assumption of requiring a job to live is extremely flawed... And the longer we put that off, the more people are going to be harmed in the process of figuring it out.

The question of automation really isn’t all that relevant to the question of climate change, but since you’ve brought it up I see no way of resolving that without somekind of actual “seize the means of production” socialism. Anything else would likely be some kind of dystopia for whoever doesn’t own the robots/AI or has the really specialized labor needed to maintain them.

GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#272711: Feb 25th 2019 at 4:38:23 AM

It's been a major Marxist critique of capitalism from the start. Automation under capitalism deprives more and more people of employment (and therefore the means of providing for themselves) as technology advances (because capitalism's chief end is profit), whereas under socialism it would just make it easier to provide for everyone.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#272712: Feb 25th 2019 at 5:16:27 AM

[up][up]Nah. Just raise taxes on the capital owners and use them to provide a minimum income, for example.

I'm not necessarily against aggressive state socialism, but I would hardly call it the only way.

GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#272713: Feb 25th 2019 at 5:44:39 AM

[up]So, a redistribution of wealth within capitalism?

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#272714: Feb 25th 2019 at 6:02:13 AM

Pigs will fly over frozen Hell before anyone pulls that off.

Not that I'm against it, far from it, but really, we can't even get rich people to pay proper taxes, let alone that.

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#272715: Feb 25th 2019 at 6:02:25 AM

[up][up][up]I don’t think such an arrangement would work out in the long run.

If the 70s and 80s have proven anything is that all it takes is one chink in the redistribution system and Capital will do absolutely everything to destroy it, and will likely succeed without extraordinary action from workers.

Leave the means of automation in private hands is just not something we can allow if we want it to actually improve people’s lives.

[up]If you don’t even think that is possible that you are essentially submitting to the coming cyberpunk future, at best.

Edited by Mio on Feb 25th 2019 at 9:13:13 AM

GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#272716: Feb 25th 2019 at 6:23:25 AM

We got to here from feudalism, we can get to an automated no-work utopia at some point.

The first thing to do is to get the rich paying their taxes properly. I listened to someone call Zuckerberg, Bezos and their ilk the new "Lords and Ladies" and the current system akin to neofeudalism. Money speaks louder than votes, a lot of the time, and I think it's high time the new class of oligarchs were reminded who has the legal monopoly on force.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#272717: Feb 25th 2019 at 6:35:46 AM

Perhaps I should clarify, I don't think it is possible in the foreseeable future.

Society will need to change quite a bit before that can be put into practice, as it stands any attempt to implement it will be crushed before you can say "Give unto Ceasar".

GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#272718: Feb 25th 2019 at 6:45:09 AM

I dunno, it depends on how long you define 'foreseeable future' to be. I can certainly see socialism happening, maybe not in our lifetimes but doable within a few generations/centuries or so.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#272719: Feb 25th 2019 at 6:49:26 AM

I was thinking more along the lines of 30 to 50 years or so. Modern society changes a hell of a lot faster than it used to, thanks to the Internet.

Robrecht Your friendly neighbourhood Regent from The Netherlands Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
#272720: Feb 25th 2019 at 6:53:20 AM

I listened to someone call Zuckerberg, Bezos and their ilk the new "Lords and Ladies" and the current system akin to neofeudalism.

Well, modern capitalism is a direct descendant of the economic system developed from feudal society switching from a goods-based economy to a money-based economy, with the original goal being profit maximisation for the landowning aristocracy, and its continuation into Mercantilism.

The people it serves may have gradually shifted from the landed gentry through yeoman landlords and merchant colonisers to modern magnates, but the system has always been structured and operated primarily for the economic and political benefit of the holders of capital.

Edited by Robrecht on Feb 25th 2019 at 3:58:27 PM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#272721: Feb 25th 2019 at 6:54:26 AM

Most tech CE Os/“geniuses” come from upper middle class and upper class families too.

Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#272722: Feb 25th 2019 at 8:41:57 AM
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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#272723: Feb 25th 2019 at 8:43:42 AM

... you've been hearing "white people" recently? You don't say.

I almost want to see where you're going with this (as it's clearly setting something up) but that would be better for the Race and Racism thread.

Edited by Larkmarn on Feb 25th 2019 at 11:52:50 AM

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#272724: Feb 25th 2019 at 8:44:36 AM

I’d actually say I specific envision suburban, middle class white people, as that was the culture I was brought up in.

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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#272725: Feb 25th 2019 at 8:57:53 AM

The fairly generic group, really - though not necessarily homogeneous. I mean, it accounts for everything between Jeff Bezos to blue-collar randos in the Ukraine, so it's a bit of a broad church term.

Course, I'm not American, so maybe your question wasn't aimed at me. White people are more the majority over here in the UK than in the US.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."

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