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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
> "If you don't believe in vaccines, why are you even here? Also, stay out."
The whole point is they want people to get their vaccinations,telling them stay away would discourage them,but I understand what you mean
It should be something like
"If you don't believes in Vaccines let's talk"
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverBullshit. Antivaxxers ought to be mass-ostracized like the plague-spreading idiots/monsters (depends on how willfully ignorant) they are. Let them wallow in their delusions away from where they can endanger innocents en masse with them.
Edited by MarqFJA on Feb 20th 2019 at 4:10:59 PM
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.I’d rather they be jailed than ostracized, simply because if orchestrated their child abusing ways are likely to continue.
Anti-vacers don’t refuse to be vaccinated themselves (generally they come into the belief to late in life for that), they refuse to vaccinate children in their care.
And yes, we totally can and should vaccinate the kids over the protest of their parents.
Edit:
Thanks.
Edited by Silasw on Feb 20th 2019 at 1:16:55 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranCome to think of it, you'd think it would be a no-brainer to criminalize their application of their delusions to their children as a form of child abuse in and of itself, and thus grounds for removing the children from their custody. Germany certainly makes a point of explicitly putting the rights of children over the rights of parents whenever they conflict.
... Also, auto-correct appears to have "fixed" you writing "ostracized" as "orchestrated".
Edited by MarqFJA on Feb 20th 2019 at 4:15:11 PM
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.In many countries harming a child or putting it at great risk is legal as long as it’s done by a parent.
Genrally they get punished when the child dies because of their ignorance, but I’m sick of us waiting for the child to die before acting, we should be arresting them for endangering the life of the child.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranFrankly, anti-vaxxers are a borderline national security threat and should probably be treated as such.
Leviticus 19:34Hey, now there's an idea: Put anti-vaxxers as another possible candidate alongside gun violence and climate change for a Democrat POTUS declaring a national emergency to deal with!
Edited by MarqFJA on Feb 20th 2019 at 4:27:52 PM
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.In most cases, hopefully, the parents didn't find out.
And yeah, I do think the death penalty is appropriate for the parents who spread the measles. It's not a particularly realistic policy, but it would be appropriate.
Edited by Protagonist506 on Feb 20th 2019 at 5:30:56 AM
Leviticus 19:34https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/02/20/day-762/
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/20/politics/special-counsel-conclusion-announcement/index.html
The FBI developed a backup plan to protect evidence in its Russia investigation after James Comey was fired in the event that other senior officials were also dismissed. (Associated Press)
https://apnews.com/eda560d7427e4840bd988b0c194ed240
Trump intends to nominate Jeffrey Rosen as deputy attorney general. Rosen is currently the deputy transportation secretary and will replace Rod Rosenstein, who is expected to leave his post in mid-March. (Politico / CBS News)
Michael Cohen's three-year prison stay has been delayed for two months because of a "serious surgical procedure" that requires extensive physical therapy. Cohen will now report to prison on May 6th instead of March 6th. (Bloomberg / CNN)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/20/politics/michael-cohen-jail/index.html
2/ Democratic 2020 candidates are already facing a coordinated barrage of social media disinformation attacks, with signs that foreign state actors are driving some of the activity. Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and Beto O'Rourke have been the main targets of attacks, which have been focused on undermining their nascent candidacies through the dissemination of memes, hashtags, misinformation and distortions of their positions. (Politico)
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/2020-candidates-social-media-attack-1176018
3/ Democrats in the House and Senate believe a senior Department of Education official tried to oust the department's independent watchdog because she pushed back against an attempt by the department to intervene in an investigation into Betsy De Vos. Lawmakers on four committees overseeing the DOE say the attempt to remove Sandra Bruce as acting inspector general was related to the probe of De Vos' decision to reinstate an accreditor that had its certification revoked by the Obama administration. (NBC News)
4/ CNN hired a longtime Republican operative as a political editor responsible with shaping the network's 2020 campaign coverage. Sarah Isgur was critical of Trump during the 2016 campaign, but later "kowtowed to Trump" and pledged loyalty to his agenda as a condition of getting the job as the Department of Justice's main spokesperson under then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Isgur has no journalism experience, and while it's common for departing administration officials to join cable news networks as analysts or contributors, it is less common for them to oversee news coverage. (Vox / Politico)
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/19/sessions-sarah-isgur-cnn-political-editor-1174527
😂 CNN reports that CNN's hiring of an ex-Sessions spokeswoman to guide political coverage stirs controversy and concerns among CNN employees. (CNN)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/20/media/reliable-sources-02-19-19/index.html
5/ Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas called on the Court to reexamine a landmark 1964 case that makes it difficult for public officials to win libel suits. Justice Thomas said New York Times v. Sullivan has no basis in the Constitution as the founders understood it, and that the First Amendment does nothing to prevent states from protecting the reputations of their citizens and leaders as they see fit. Thomas' opinion comes in the wake of complaints by Trump that libel laws make it too difficult for public figures to win libel suits. (New York Times)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/clarence-thomas-first-amendment-libel.html
6/ Trump – angered by a New York Times report that he tried to influence and undermine the investigations surrounding him – attacked the New York Times as the "true ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE" in the same week he called for "retribution" against NBC for satirizing him on "Saturday Night Live." (New York Times)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/20/us/politics/new-york-times-trump.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-vows-target-u-s-if-missiles-are-deployed-europe-n973451
Trump is moving forward with plans to use his national emergency declaration to divert federal funds from other programs in order to build his border wall, despite multiple lawsuits challenging his authority to do so. The White House plans to start with funds from the Defense Department's drug interdiction program and the Treasury Department's civil asset forfeiture fund before moving on to siphon funds from military construction projects. Trump is currently preparing for the possibility that a federal court will issue an injunction and prevent him from accessing the military construction funding. (CNN)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/trump-wall-funding-emergency-lawsuits/index.html
The Transportation Department will cancel $929 million in federal funds for a California high-speed rail project and is "actively exploring every legal option" to claw back the $2.5 billion the state has already received. California Governor Gavin Newsom linked the Trump administration action to California leading 15 other states in challenging Trump's "farcical" national emergency to obtain funds for his border wall. (New York Times / Reuters)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-rail-idUSKCN1Q82TH
The Office of Government Ethics refused to certify a financial disclosure report from Wilbur Ross, saying the commerce secretary violated his ethics agreement by inaccurately reporting stock holdings in his 2018 financial disclosure form. (Washington Post / CNBC)
The White House is assembling a panel to assess whether climate change poses a national security threat. Trump dismissed a government report finding that global warming poses a major threat to the U.S. economy, saying, "I don't see it." (Washington Post)
The big reason why anti-vaxxers are such a threat is that their choices don't just affect their children and all of the children of the other anti-vaxxers, they also affect the children who literally can't get vaccinated for a medical reason, of which there are many.
Normally, vaccinated children would create a sort of biological wall stopping contagens from getting to those children, but the children of anti-vaxxers create holes in the wall and also serve as Trojan horses, letting the contagens in to infect innocent kids whose parents did nothing wrong.
Obviously, it's also horrible and unfair to the children of anti-vaxxers, but the anti-vaccination movement affects more than just themselves, and that's why they really should be vaccinated, whether they want to or not.
To make things worse, let's not forget that Trump is apparently on the anti-vaxxers' side.
A recent op-ed on the matter from CNN.
He and his administration not only enable the anti-vaxxers, they also encourage the general anti-intellectualism that leads people to trust anti-vaxxer blogs over doctors.
So yes, another consequence of Trump's America is more children dying due to measles.
Edited by M84 on Feb 20th 2019 at 9:48:59 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedEven if herd immunity wasn’t a thing the movement would affect more than just the anti-vacinarion people, because the children they are nto vaccinating are human being with right, not simply an extension of the parent, that they are allowed to throw headfirst into danger because they feel like it.
They’re not terrible people just because they’re risking the lives of other people’s kid, they’re terribke people for risking the lives of their own kids, no but required.
Edited by Silasw on Feb 20th 2019 at 1:50:36 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranAnother aspect of this anti-vaxx bullshit is that any sort of health professional who spouts vaccine denialism needs the book thrown at them. Starting off with fines and (especially) decertification, escalating to prison if necessary. While sadly it wouldn't pass in most democracies, anti vaccine protests and media postings should be treated like hate speech, or shouting "fire!!!" in a crowded area.
Meanwhile, kids who aren't vaccinated due to parental refusal (not lack of access or not knowing what vaccines are needed, so they'd get warning and notices first) should be temporarily made wards of state and vaccinated, and fuck parental choice. I'd support seizing the kids permanently/for an extended period in principle, but social welfare systems the world over couldn't take the strain.
The only exemptions allowed should be medical, otherwise this entire movement needs the boot put to it before anyone else dies or is needlessly disabled for life.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Yeah, that's why I view CNN to be at best really mediocre. They're full of unprincipled hacks who are devout followers of #bothsides-ism.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangOn a lighter note, watch Tucker Carlson get BTFO by a Dutch historian.
Rutger Bregman, who went viral for confronting Davos attendees about taxes, was brought on Carlson's show and was presumably expected to play along with Carlson's current faux-populist charade. But that didn't go so well.
Edited by Eschaton on Feb 20th 2019 at 6:44:42 AM
And right on schedule the Supreme Court proves Fourthspartan right about it again. Hopefully Roberts won't go for this, but...
If the Transportation Department really is going to "explore every legal option" to get back the high-speed rail money from California, that could well end up before the Supreme Court too.
I had heard there were still things being quietly put in place, I want to say a combination of the cyber crime divisions and parts of the military, but I don't know what happened to that. Or if anything can even be done as long as 45 and his people are in charge.
Edited by Ingonyama on Feb 20th 2019 at 6:52:29 AM

Are the child's parents actually liable to get prosecuted for this? It's gross negligence.