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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#272051: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:24:37 AM

[up] Welcome to Leftism, where single word differences are enough to create entire new parties. Or in short, We ARE Struggling Together at its finest.

Edit: I should create a scale of one to ten on which I rank my page toppers. This gets a solid three out of ten, a punchline orphaned from its joke.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Feb 19th 2019 at 2:25:54 PM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#272052: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:25:51 AM

Glad we cleared that up.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#272053: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:26:30 AM

@silentcolossus: It may have meant something along those lines a century or so ago, but most Social Democratic parties have rejected Socialism and/or Marxism, and are more or less just looking for regulated capitalism and a robust welfare state.

For the record the Democratic Party is not has never been a Social Democratic Party, though many of its members and even a couple of its Presidents (FDR, maybe Johnson) can be described as Social Democrats.

Edit: [nja]

Edited by Mio on Feb 19th 2019 at 2:28:03 PM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#272054: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:31:33 AM

So could Dwight D. Eisenhower (R). Social democracy (or at least social for whites) was essentially a settled consensus in the US between Roosevelt's death and Nixon's election (because Johnson had admitted blacks to the table, and the neo-Confederates weren't gonna have that).

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#272055: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:31:41 AM

@silentcolossus: It may have meant something along those lines a century or so ago, but most Social Democratic parties have rejected Socialism and/or Marxism, and are more or less just looking for regulated capitalism and a robust welfare state.

For the record the Democratic Party is not has never been a Social Democratic Party, though many of its members and even a couple of its Presidents (FDR, maybe Johnson) can be described as Social Democrats.

It hasn't been a social democratic party, with the increased prominence of support for things like Medicare for All and collective bargaining that may very well change.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#272056: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:35:22 AM

Specifically, on We ARE Struggling Together...

The trope takes its name from this scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian. When the People's Front of Judea runs into the rival Campaign for a Free Galilee in Pilate's mansion (who are attempting the same bit of anti-Roman terrorism) and they start fighting, Brian pleads "Brothers, we should be struggling together!" One of the revolutionaries immediately responds, "We are!" Then, when Brian attempts to remind them that they should be fighting "their real enemy", the revolutionaries initially think of another rival movement, the Judean People's Front. In the end, the two groups end up killing each other before the guards even show up, leaving Brian (as the only non-participant in the fight) as the only survivor. The various factions were modeled by the Pythons on British left-wing political groups of the 1970s (the year the movie was released, the left was represented by no less than 15 separate parties, plus more sub-factions within both Labour and the smaller splinter groups). Interestingly, this portrayal of First century anti-Roman movements in Palestine is pretty much spot-on Truth in Television, and John Cleese's knowledge of Latin make it pretty likely that he, at least, knew how accurate it was.

It is, indeed, named for how fractious the left can be.

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#272057: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:41:35 AM

[up][up]One can hope, but given how resistant some members of the party have been I won’t hold my breath.

Edited by Mio on Feb 19th 2019 at 2:41:47 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#272058: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:43:00 AM

One can hope, but given how resistant some members of the party have been I won’t hold my breath.

The Democratic Party is a big tent party if you expect it to be easy you're kidding yourself, there is always going to be resistance. It doesn't mean that change can't happen either way.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Bur from Flyover Country (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#272059: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:54:27 AM

Re: “Trump administration launches global effort to end criminalization of homosexuality”

There is no way this is happening with Pence around unless it’s done ala Chechnya. “Something that doesn’t exist can’t be illegal!”

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#272060: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:58:52 AM

[up]Okay, I might be miremembering, but didn't the Trump administration did its best to butcher several LGBT bills and laws? Furthermore, isn't it rooted in alt-right values, which are as homophobic as they are racist and misogynistic?

So, what gives?

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#272061: Feb 19th 2019 at 12:02:00 PM

All talk and no substance. Like how he claimed in the state of the union that he’d be great for ending HIV but several weeks prior had basically murdered the federal group that works on HIV research.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#272062: Feb 19th 2019 at 12:02:25 PM

[up][up]Trump's attention span is a windsock on speed in a variable wind tunnel.

Well, unless he's concentrating on how great he is. Then it's a windsock with a cannonball in it.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Feb 19th 2019 at 8:03:46 PM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#272063: Feb 19th 2019 at 12:25:57 PM

Trump doesn't give a shit about homosexuals one way or another. He's not actively malicious, but he won't stop people who are actively malicious unless it makes for a great photo op of "see how woke and enlightened I am."

Also, criminalizing private homosexual acts is a dead issue in the US. It's not like Roe v. Wade where the court's decision has spawned decades of resistance. The Usual Adversaries don't generally want the cops to arrest teh gayz, they want the cops to look the other way while they beat them to death. Even a committed bigot like Orson Scott "Let's start a revolution if they legalize gay marriage!" Card has given up (though that might have something to do with Hollywood jamming a stack of cash in his mouth). So supporting decriminalization without supporting further rights is a safe position that won't really lose him any points with anyone, and I think it aligns with his actual beliefs (yes, he does have them, they just don't show up much compared to concerns about his appearance).

Edited by Ramidel on Feb 19th 2019 at 11:27:01 AM

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#272064: Feb 19th 2019 at 12:38:20 PM

The problem there is that things like Conversion Therapy are still legal in most states.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#272065: Feb 19th 2019 at 12:43:56 PM

Pence hates Trump.

Like Mc Connell he's been talked to by many people about, "Reigning in Trump" but neither can. Pence also has to constantly go to evangelicals to beg for their support and lie about how much Trump is their friend.

Frankly, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy that Pence is far less popular with religious voters than the man who embodies every Hypocrite stereotype that Pence (bigoted Fundamentalist he is) plays straight.

That must gaul him.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 19th 2019 at 12:44:31 PM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#272066: Feb 19th 2019 at 12:45:05 PM

[up][up]That's exactly what I said. Just because people support decriminalizing homosexuality does not mean that they support giving homosexuals actual rights. Besides, the alt-righters have gay friends and gay members! They've even got a gay Jew as one of their frontmen! Look how progressive they are!

Edited by Ramidel on Feb 19th 2019 at 11:45:18 AM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#272067: Feb 19th 2019 at 12:47:06 PM

I wonder if Kavanaugh and Co. might try to drop Lawrence vs. Texas if they get an opportunity (and thus put some sodomy laws back into action).

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#272068: Feb 19th 2019 at 12:50:29 PM

Kavanaugh has already more or less proven uninterested in actually challenging any major laws. It's the big irony that the sexual predator is probably the most liberal Republican there.

Because he was hired for his loyalty to Trump, not his politics.

(This is not a defense—it's an observation of how fucked up the inner circle of the Fight House is)

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 19th 2019 at 12:51:16 PM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#272069: Feb 19th 2019 at 12:56:58 PM

It looks like Bernie Sanders has finally joined the race.
Several of my less-politically-focused friends on Facebook are already cheering for him.
Yeah Sanders isn’t going to run for President as an independent, he likely will however leave the Democratic Party by December 2020 regardless of what happens.
Hmm ... Let's say Sanders actually wins the primary and the Presidency. Do you think he'll still go back to being an independent as President?
Roll on AOC 2028
I think that's a little optimistic and premature at this point.
There has hardly been a flood of his supporters on this forum (at least as of now).

The thread itself is still decidedly aganist him in almost all ways.

We've already had a couple of people try to ban-evade to shill for him. And most of us, myself included, would vote for him in the general if he does win the primary - we're just convinced he's not the best option we've got declared in the primaries.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#272070: Feb 19th 2019 at 1:00:06 PM

He lost to the person who lost to Trump.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#272071: Feb 19th 2019 at 1:01:27 PM

Yes and maybe he'll beat everyone else here.

Why Primaries exist.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#272072: Feb 19th 2019 at 1:01:59 PM

[up][up][up][up]

Kavanaugh has already more or less proven uninterested in actually challenging any major laws. It's the big irony that the sexual predator is probably the most liberal Republican there.

What??? On what evidence? His opinion on the recent abortion case injunction was very ominous for Roe v. Wade.

Edited by wisewillow on Feb 19th 2019 at 4:02:22 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#272073: Feb 19th 2019 at 1:01:59 PM

[up][up][up]You say that like it matters to anytime who cried "rigged" even to this day.

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 19th 2019 at 2:02:12 AM

Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#272074: Feb 19th 2019 at 1:06:46 PM

If it was rigged, then I'd say that given the state of our elections (Abrams Governor run comes to mind) you should want someone who can win even if the system is rigged against them. Because I don't doubt Trump's willingness to do so if he thinks he can get away with it.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#272075: Feb 19th 2019 at 1:09:47 PM

Hmm ... Let's say Sanders actually wins the primary and the Presidency. Do you think he'll still go back to being an independent as President?

I consider it a very real possibility, it’s not even my worst feat theory of what stupid thing Sanders could do (that’s picking Gabbard as his VP choice).

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

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