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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#272026: Feb 19th 2019 at 10:41:11 AM

I’d rather see Stacey Abrams run for Senator of Georgia or run for President herself, not be second fiddle to anyone.

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#272027: Feb 19th 2019 at 10:42:54 AM

Regarding Bernie and the NRA (and similar things such as Gillibrand and her House record, Biden and Senate record, Harris and California AG record), I found the points made here with supporting evidence interesting:

  • Politicians usually try to get their promises done. Even Donald Trump. When they fail, it's often for reasons that are beyond their control. Moral of the story: Trust the promises.
  • Politicians' words are often more reliable on the broad strokes than on the minutiae. For example, a policy plan or a more general "vision" statement is usually a good predictor of what kind of issues the candidate will prioritize, even if the policy at the end is different in the details.
  • Past political record in elected office is NOT a reliable predictor of what they will do in the future in a different office.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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#272028: Feb 19th 2019 at 10:45:21 AM

@Spinosegnosaurus: The author is clearly and vehemently against giving the "wizards in power" more control over the economy, of course he would try to portray any turn to social democracy as a failure. Seems like that boogeyman failed, just like the Pelosi one.

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#272029: Feb 19th 2019 at 10:45:35 AM

[up][up][up] She definitely shouldn't leap to trying to run for the presidency.

Edited by RainehDaze on Feb 19th 2019 at 6:45:49 PM

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#272030: Feb 19th 2019 at 10:46:01 AM

> Past political record in elected office is NOT a reliable predictor of what they will do in the future in a different office.

Disagree since what they did in their past political office will influence their future political offices in terms how well they perform,how effective they are their elected position,experience ecta

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#272031: Feb 19th 2019 at 10:46:50 AM

[up][up]Why not? There’s buzz around Beto; why not Abrams? She ran a dynamite campaign and would have won if not for the blatant voter suppression.

Edited by wisewillow on Feb 19th 2019 at 1:47:04 PM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#272032: Feb 19th 2019 at 10:49:18 AM

^^That's for political effectiveness (or personal flaws: See Donald Trump and telling falsehoods pre-election and post-election), sure. But when it comes to policies it is not reliable.

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#272033: Feb 19th 2019 at 10:49:21 AM

Beto shouldn't be leaping to the presidency either.

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#272034: Feb 19th 2019 at 10:56:57 AM

That’s not as clever as you think it is.

Point: Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party.

Prove me wrong. Go ahead. Prove to me that he's a Democrat.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 19th 2019 at 11:57:08 AM

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#272035: Feb 19th 2019 at 10:58:02 AM

O'Rourke would do better to go after John Cornyn's Senate seat first, especially with 2020 having a large Democratic crowd.

The Supreme Court has declined to hear the appeal of former Republican Representative from Illinois Aaron Schock on corruption charges, with Sotomayor specifically calling out Schock's legal team's attempted argument of using the criminal process to enforce legislative rules.

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#272036: Feb 19th 2019 at 10:58:52 AM

Schumer has been talking with Beto to do just that.

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#272037: Feb 19th 2019 at 10:59:57 AM

> Prove me wrong. Go ahead. Prove to me that he's a Democrat.

Nice bait

What sort of conclusive proof do you require?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#272038: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:01:02 AM

Point: Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party.

Prove me wrong. Go ahead. Prove to me that he's a Democrat.

Challenge accepted.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#272039: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:01:06 AM

He may be pro gun control now, but in his early career he courted and supported the NRA. He also voted in favor of The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act back in 2005.

To be fair, the NRA wasn’t always as bonkers as they are now. I’m pretty sure that at one point, they even supported reasonable gun control legislation at one point.

Edited by megaeliz on Feb 19th 2019 at 2:03:46 PM

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#272040: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:01:59 AM

@Sanders: He's outlasting his usefulness and overplaying his hand. He should quit while he's ahead. I totally understand if he won't, but that'd be a solid proof of weak character.

Warren is an excellent candidate. That she comes from a Republican, pro-capitalist background, yet ended up where she is, is a credit to her sanity and sense.

The Libertarians and Classical Liberals in the Democratic party can and should go away.

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#272041: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:05:46 AM

[up][up][up]That literally says that he's an independent caucusing with the Democrats. ie, he is not himself a member of the Democratic Party.

Edited by NativeJovian on Feb 19th 2019 at 2:05:57 PM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#272042: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:10:14 AM

House Opens Inquiry into Proposed U.S. Nuclear Venture in Saudi Arabia House Democrats say a proposed nuclear power venture in Saudi Arabia could expose conflicts of interests in the Trump administration and possible violations of law

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/trump-saudi-arabia-nuclear-power.html


Trump administration launches global effort to end criminalization of homosexuality – The administration is responding in part to a reported hanging of a young gay man in Iran, Trump’s top geopolitical foe

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-launches-global-effort-end-criminalization-homosexuality-n973081

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#272043: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:10:36 AM

Nice bait

What sort of conclusive proof do you require?

Membership into the Democratic party.

It's not a difficult bar to clear. I know, I know, No True Scotsman and all, but. Like. Is it so unreasonable to say that No True Scotsman identifies himself as "Not a Scotsman"?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 19th 2019 at 12:13:20 PM

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#272044: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:13:29 AM

[up]I can't tell anymore if this is an extended troll or if you don't understand what a social democrat is.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Feb 19th 2019 at 7:16:33 PM

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#272045: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:18:02 AM

I mean, I am an ig'nant white trash hick so I might actually not.

Is "Social Democrat" not the term for Socialist-leaning Democrats like AOC? Who is awesome and 100% a member of the Democratic Party?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 19th 2019 at 12:18:26 PM

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#272046: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:18:48 AM

Wikipedia is your friend.

The "Democrat" in Social Democrat does not refer exclusively to the U.S. Democratic Party.

And then there's Democratic Socialism, which is different.

Edited by Eschaton on Feb 19th 2019 at 11:21:59 AM

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#272047: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:20:57 AM

I think it just means democratic socialits. That is, people who believe in socialism as an economic system but still otherwise desire a democracy.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#272048: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:22:39 AM

[up] Nope. Social Democrats are like Warren, who seek to expand welfare and such to make a more equitable system under Capitalism. Democratic Socialists, which sounds almost the same, want to dismantle Capitalism using Democratic methods.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Feb 19th 2019 at 2:26:38 PM

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#272049: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:22:51 AM

[up][up] I mean, if you're writing it with a capital D, it does. He might be a social democrat, but he's not a Social Democrat.

Pedantic, but clarity is kind of key when it comes to political affiliation and proper nouns.

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#272050: Feb 19th 2019 at 11:23:39 AM

English is the bane of all existence. [lol]

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