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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#271876: Feb 18th 2019 at 7:25:22 AM

Meanwhile, there is some sort of hullabaloo going on regarding Rosestein's apparently having discussed the possibility of removing Trump from office. Fox is calling it a "coup". Anyone know what actually happened?

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#271877: Feb 18th 2019 at 7:31:47 AM

Meanwhile, there is some sort of hullabaloo going on regarding Rosestein's apparently having discussed the possibility of removing Trump from office. Fox is calling it a "coup". Anyone know what actually happened?
None of us can know what actually happened because we weren't there, but... according to reports, Rosenstein was seriously weighing using the 25th Amendment against Trump after he fired Comey. Fox (and Trump) is calling it a coup because in their minds, it validates their theories of a deep state overthrowing the presidency.

Edited by speedyboris on Feb 18th 2019 at 9:51:15 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#271878: Feb 18th 2019 at 7:34:28 AM

He started a probe into the President which he believes got him fired

article from The hill

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#271879: Feb 18th 2019 at 7:51:22 AM

Nothing we didn't already know; Rosenstein considered trying to get the cabinet to invoke the 25th and thought about wearing a wire to gather evidence when talking with Trump. Trump and Fox are just acting out because it was on 60 Minutes last night.

Also nothing we didn't already know but just very disconcerting to hear from Mc Cabe is just how divorced Trump is from reality.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#271880: Feb 18th 2019 at 8:03:38 AM

Trump could sell Alaska back to Russia and Fox News would still think an impeachment is a coup.

There is no point debating with a fundamentalist, the only thing to do is to minimize its influence as much as possible.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#271881: Feb 18th 2019 at 8:03:57 AM

[up] Which is really just confirmation of what we already knew, as well.


North Carolina To Decide As Early As Monday If New House Election Is Needed – The North Carolina State Board of Elections will finally get a look at what evidence of election fraud investigators have uncovered in the state's 9th Congressional District.

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/18/694429029/north-carolina-to-decide-as-early-as-monday-if-new-house-election-is-needed

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#271882: Feb 18th 2019 at 11:31:22 AM

Ah. A pity he didn't succeed.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
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#271884: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:19:49 PM

How common is it for an incumbent President to be challenged in the primary?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#271885: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:28:16 PM

Huh? I remember vaguely predicting that some republican would challenge Trump and everyone saying that this won't happen....

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271886: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:29:58 PM

We assumed it wouldn't happen because successful primary challenges of incumbent Presidents are less common than successful general election challenges of incumbent Presidents, which really says something considering how rare the latter is.

It's best to assume their campaign is a non-starter unless there's serious evidence to the contrary.

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Cris_Meyers reluctant author, willing misanthrope from Chicagoland (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
reluctant author, willing misanthrope
#271887: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:33:15 PM

[up][up][up] It's rare. I think it's only happened three or four times.

Edited by Cris_Meyers on Feb 18th 2019 at 2:33:33 PM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#271888: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:37:19 PM

A challenge is pretty common, one that goes anywhere and gets any traction tends to only happen alongside a president failing to get reelection (note correlation and causation are uncertain here).

[up]X3 If this is who I think it is than he only jsut reregistered as a Republican after running against Trump as part of the libertarian ticket in 2016, so he won’t have factored into past considerations about republicans.

Edited by Silasw on Feb 18th 2019 at 8:38:52 PM

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ciyinwanderer Since: Dec, 2018
#271889: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:38:44 PM

Being from Ohio, I've been waiting for Kasich to announce a run in 2020; he spent the past couple years touring the country trying to present himself as the reasonable and well-mannered alternative. But he took at position at CNN, so maybe he'll just ride that gravy train for a while.

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reluctant author, willing misanthrope
#271890: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:43:44 PM

[up][up] It's the same guy. It may be interesting to see if he can scrape together support with us more right-leaning libertarian style, but more likely than not he's going to get stomped.

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#271891: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:47:03 PM

Just a satirical news report about the national emergency at the Mexico US border.

The national emergency sets such an interesting precedent. Who's to stop a Democrat president from declaring a national emergency over, say, global warming, or homelessness, or forest fires?

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#271892: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:52:08 PM

Nothing, Pelosi has openly threatened one about school shootings and some Dems have called for the next Democrat president to declare one over climate change.

I’m not even sure that the system of national emergencies should be changed, there exists a failsafe for congress to revoke a false national emergency, the fact that republicans won’t use that failsafe isn’t a failure of the systems mechanics, it’s a failure of the Republican Party.

Like maybe tweak it so that a congressional override can’t be vetoed, but otherwise I’m nto sure how the emergency powers should be changed.

As much as people like to act like Trump has gone rouge he hasn’t, the Republican Party is still alongside him, there exist systematic checks on his misuses of power, the problem isn’t them not exists, it’s republicans being unwilling to use them.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#271893: Feb 18th 2019 at 1:35:43 PM

Doesn't that make them ineffective if one party having enough branches can nullify them?

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#271894: Feb 18th 2019 at 1:37:21 PM

The idea is that with an actual national emergency, funds can be accessed and actions taken faster than Congress is able to respond to something like that.

Not used to try and bypass the other major branch of government.

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#271895: Feb 18th 2019 at 1:40:34 PM

I guess the big question is, will the SCOTUS give him his emergency money?

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#271896: Feb 18th 2019 at 2:20:02 PM

It has to even get to them first.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#271897: Feb 18th 2019 at 2:30:59 PM

Bill Weld's challenge is certainly doomed to fail, and he'll be crushed. Trump's popularity among Republicans is in the high 80s or so, he probably won't even need to campaign against Weld.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#271898: Feb 18th 2019 at 2:32:25 PM

That reminds me - I've seen it said that part of the reason Trump's approval rating is so high is that the more moderate republicans are leaving the party. If true, do we have any data on just how many people that is?

Edited by Draghinazzo on Feb 18th 2019 at 6:32:48 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#271899: Feb 18th 2019 at 3:39:40 PM

California AG: At least 13 states suing over Trump’s national emergency – "The president does have broad authority. But he does not have authority to violate the Constitution," Xavier Becerra said on Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/california-ag-least-13-states-suing-over-trump-s-national-n972796


Trump circulated a call by Rush Limbaugh to imprison the people investigating him and his administration, including Robert Mueller. Trump quoted Limbaugh in a tweet, writing, "These guys, the investigators, ought to be in jail. What they have done, working with the Obama intelligence agencies, is simply unprecedented." He continued: "This is one of the greatest political hoaxes ever perpetrated on the people of this Country, and Mueller is a coverup." Later, Trump added his own condemnation of Mueller and his team, calling the investigation "totally conflicted, illegal and rigged!"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-circulates-limbaugh-quote-calling-for-mueller-investigators-to-be-in-jail


Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize last fall at the request of the U.S. government for Trump's role in opening talks and easing tensions with North Korea. Trump claimed on Friday that Abe had nominated him and given him "the most beautiful copy" of a five-page nomination letter, but he failed to mention that the U.S. requested that Abe nominate Trump.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-trump-japan-idUSKCN1Q6041

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 18th 2019 at 4:42:31 AM

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#271900: Feb 18th 2019 at 4:14:33 PM

Can we call treason on Limbaugh yet? Like, where do we draw the line?


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