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#271851: Feb 17th 2019 at 11:55:33 PM

It reminds me of this one story a while back that went viral because it was recorded: this one middle aged white woman was harrassing two latinx women for speaking spanish at the supermarket, and then another white woman told her to fuck off and leave and reported her to the police afterwards. The lady talked about how "they were going to lose this country" or some other nonsense.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#271852: Feb 17th 2019 at 11:57:58 PM

Oh yes, it's always "fun" when complete strangers harangue you for speaking another language in public.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#271853: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:06:18 AM

I was surprised to find out that among black men (at least according to my African American Studies professor) that it's a stereotype that while white men are historically dangerous and violent, it's white women that are viewed as potentially more destructive for their habit of calling down institutional violence on whole families.

He stressed it was just a stereotype but that both sexes had a history of just random exertions of power abuse rather than just one.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 18th 2019 at 12:07:31 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#271854: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:20:54 AM

I'm suddenly reminded of Susan Smith who murdered her own kids and tried to pin it on black people.

Here's the Wikipedia page on Susan Smith for reference.

Edited by M84 on Feb 19th 2019 at 4:21:04 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#271855: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:35:25 AM

Yeah, there's a history of a lot of racial violence called down by white women or white women blaming black men for crimes they didn't commit.

Almost all of the "confirmed to be 100% not to have happened thanks to physical evidence and not just people assuming its made up" false rape charges I know of were white women on black men.

Like....I don't even know how you could do that to someone else.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 18th 2019 at 12:36:31 PM

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Captain of the Dead City
#271856: Feb 18th 2019 at 1:43:16 AM

Oh yes, it's always "fun" when complete strangers harangue you for speaking another language in public.

Reminds me of the story of a bloke who confronted a woman of colour on a bus, demanding that she speak English, when another passenger interjected with "She's speaking Welsh, in Wales". That shut him up.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#271857: Feb 18th 2019 at 3:25:32 AM

Those are often the same people who spend their retirement in Spain and then turn up proudly on BBC explaining how much their englishness spread into the community.

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#271859: Feb 18th 2019 at 3:56:46 AM

Because there's nothing so patriotic and symbolic of freedom as forced indoctrination.

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#271860: Feb 18th 2019 at 3:58:09 AM

Note that this was a sixth grader.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#271861: Feb 18th 2019 at 4:05:32 AM

The kid was 11, and to add insult to injury, the Pledge of Allegiance is not even mandatory in that school.

The substitute teacher who called the officer on the kid didn't know that. Said substitute also went so far as to tell the kid that if he didn't want to recite the Pledge then maybe he should just go "back" to Africa (paraphrasing).

The school not surprisingly is not going to hire that substitute again.

Edited by M84 on Feb 18th 2019 at 8:07:10 PM

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Captain of the Dead City
#271862: Feb 18th 2019 at 4:12:06 AM

The old 'if you don't like this country, go live somewhere else' argument.

Classic.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
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#271863: Feb 18th 2019 at 4:15:24 AM

Whenever people proselytize about how great America and its flag is and get super pissed at anyone who objects I have to wonder if they're trying to convince an audience or trying to convince themselves.

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#271864: Feb 18th 2019 at 4:37:03 AM

Almost all of the "confirmed to be 100% not to have happened thanks to physical evidence and not just people assuming its made up" false rape charges I know of were white women on black men.

There are few things more personally upsetting to me than the way all those fucking assholes who insist that most rape accusations (against white males) are false in order to put down women and then turn around to claim that Blacks (or, in Europe, Muslims/Arabs) are all rapists looking to force themselves on (white) women... When the reality is, of course, that nearly all rape accusations that are confirmed to be false were made against minorities by white women and that rapes committed against minority women by white men is a really fucking high proportion of the total.

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Captain of the Dead City
#271865: Feb 18th 2019 at 4:57:43 AM

What's racist about the flag, incidentally?

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
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#271866: Feb 18th 2019 at 5:01:44 AM

[up] That's a whole digression in and of itself, but there is a point of view that the U.S. flag is symbolic of a nation born in and of slavery; that blacks were given no vote in the establishment of our nation and were (or are) not represented by it.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#271867: Feb 18th 2019 at 5:51:23 AM

On another topic, anyone catch 60 Minutes last night? I didn't, but I read the headlines today and apparently one of the stories Andrew McCabe told was that Trump took Putin's word over U.S. intelligence agencies regarding North Korean missile tests. What the fuck.

If Trump's not colluding with Russia, he's sure doing a bad job of looking innocent.

Edited by speedyboris on Feb 18th 2019 at 7:51:57 AM

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#271868: Feb 18th 2019 at 6:05:33 AM

Speaking of which, I just thought of something. If Putin does have something on Trump, would it really be any more damaging than everything else we've come to learn about him? Its clear by now that his base isn't going to abandon him no matter what, and Senate republicans aren't going to move to impeach him no matter what, so what would releasing this hypothetical dirt to the public really accomplish by now?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#271869: Feb 18th 2019 at 6:06:48 AM

[up][up][up]The kid outright said that he rejected the Pledge because his ancestors weren't willing immigrants and were brought to the USA against their will.

When I first read that and remembered that it was an eleven year old kid who said that, I gotta admit — I was kind of impressed.

Edited by M84 on Feb 18th 2019 at 10:07:00 PM

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Lost in Space
#271870: Feb 18th 2019 at 6:09:51 AM

[up][up] Trump is an ego machine driven by fear of public embarrassment. If Putin is holding such a threat over his head, it might indeed be a strong motivation, but I don't think that's all of it. Trump's circle seems to have a few things in common, one of the most obvious and bizarre is their love of Russia. It probably has to do with the money more than the reputation: Putin's cronies have been cultivating U.S. businessmen for decades by offering them back-channel financing, easy money with only a "few tiny strings" attached.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#271871: Feb 18th 2019 at 6:09:52 AM

I don’t think it’s a matter of Putin and Trump being accomplices or Putin having blackmail on Trump. Trump is just very easy to manipulate, and Putin is very good at manipulating people. It’s possible there’s some sort of monetary connection, but at this point it seems most likely Trump is just a easy mark.

Edited by archonspeaks on Feb 18th 2019 at 6:10:38 AM

They should have sent a poet.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#271872: Feb 18th 2019 at 6:14:05 AM

Putin panders to his ego. That's likely all there is to it. It's somewhat horrifying that Trump may be just that easy to manipulate, but it is what it is.

Trump also has a rather clear admiration for authoritarians. An authoritarian who panders to his ego would pretty much be Trump's favorite person in the entire world — aside from Trump himself of course.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#271873: Feb 18th 2019 at 6:49:39 AM

Like attracts like, I suppose.

Also, I wish I was as smart as that kid when I was eleven.

Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 18th 2019 at 11:50:38 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#271874: Feb 18th 2019 at 7:07:53 AM

I wish I was as willing to speak my mind at that age too.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#271875: Feb 18th 2019 at 7:19:14 AM

[up][up] It’s not necessarily about being smart; it’s about being informed. I was a “smart” kid but I knew very, very little about systemic racism beyond “there was a Civil War and MLK.”

Because white kids (and many other kids) are rarely taught that history by their parents, and public schools rarely teach it, except for individual teachers who intentionally make their lessons more comprehensive than the textbooks and state curriculum. Ignorance is more damaging than lack of intelligence or apathy.

This kid sounds like he’s got either good parents, good teachers, good reading on his own, or a combo thereof. I’m proud of him.

Edited by wisewillow on Feb 18th 2019 at 10:19:53 AM


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