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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Not that his brainwashed followers are going to believe a word of that, of course, but the point is to convince the moderates that the Democrat candidate is going to be better than what the USA has now.
Eh, Presidents are rewarded for good economic conditions and punished for bad.
From an electoral perspective, it doesn't really matter who's responsible.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI know the person who was carrying on the argument got banned so this is a bit late, but on the subject of corporate taxes: Amazon didn't pay any federal income taxes this year or last.
Apparently neither did Netflix.
Yeah, the economy is complex and people only really care when their lives clearly get worse (or more rarely get better).
Correct attributing economic conditions to specific Presidents is beyond the abilities and interests of most of the electorate.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangIf we cut the corporate tax rate by a third, we would lose roughly 3% of our total tax income. Given that we do have a high rate compared to other countries, I think that bringing our rate to be more inline with theirs could encourage companies to come here to make that up.
I'm personally in favor of a single unified tax. That is, we only tax one thing and we tax it consistently with few loopholes. Personally, I think one interesting way would be a progressive income tax with a negative income tax at the lowest levels.
Hoover was blamed for the fact he didn't do anything about it period. He was a great believer in the market turning around naturally because the alternative was SOCIALISM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation
He was a truly evil piece of shit.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 16th 2019 at 5:52:03 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.And the government has yet to issue an official apology, mind.
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I’d say what happened with Fox Conn is a good rejoinder to the idea that dropping corporate tax rates is useful.
Also, considering all the expense of relocating, dropping corporate taxes 3% isn’t much of a carrot. And we shouldn’t be giving them carrots anyway because it doesn’t work.
I know this probably isn't the right forum for it, but is there an appropriate thread to talk about this?:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/16/entertainment/jussie-smollett-attack/index.html
I'd say it relates pretty well to political and social issues
The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.Breathing clean air without paying taxes is theft of service.
Two can play at this game.
You’re in the US government’s house, you owe it rent or should leave (the fact that 99% of the world is some governments property is your problem not the governments).
Edited by Silasw on Feb 16th 2019 at 3:02:03 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran>Breathing clean air without paying taxes is theft of service.
Ooh! Nice one! I'm fairly certain I know what arguments are under this one, but I'd rather have you elaborate them.
>You’re in the US government’s house, you owe it rent or should leave (the fact that 99% of the world is some governments property is your problem not the governments).
I've made pretty much this exact argument in other conversations. It's one that I like.
Edited by Soban on Feb 16th 2019 at 10:05:06 AM
The US government is a key actor in ensuring that the air over the US is clean, when you benefit from that servicing you are using the government. Hell considering that much of the oxygen you breath will have been made by trees on federal land there’s an argument that regardless of the air’s quality by breathing oxygen within the US you are consuming a product of the US government.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranTaxes are necessary to prevent a "free rider problem". A lot of what the government provides are what I call "Vapor Assets"-they're things of monetary value that can not be excluded from people.
A good example would be police. For various reasons, you can't enforce laws without enforcing laws for an entire community. Ergo, anyone in that community not paying taxes to help fund the police department is a moocher. And having it be privately funded would create a lot of incentive problems, too. The military is also a great example of this.
Other examples include fire departments, schooling, certain forms of R&D, lighthouses, and environmental protections.
Leviticus 19:34Yeah, police are a bad example here.
Regardless, though, taxation is definitely not theft, and the entire notion that it is is extremely misinformed on how the relationship between the governing body and the citizens actually functions.
"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"I wouldn't say police are a bad example after all Protagonist's argument was just that police have to enforce laws upon the entire community to function. Which they do. Law Enforcement doesn't do it equitably but they still do it.
Protagonist's point stands.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 16th 2019 at 10:44:39 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI like!
Counterargument: More than 20 percent of the world oxygen is produced in the Amazon Rainforest, but I don't pay any taxes to Brazil. I didn't ask the US government to clean the air. It's certainly nice that have, but that I get to breath 'their' air is an externality. Keeping the clean air that we have and cleaning future air problems are things that we can solve more efficiently without government intervention.
Regarding Taxation being theft. Say for a moment that I founded a charitable organization dedicated to keeping the air clean through various methods. However, because not enough people donate to my charity, we aren't able to meet our objectives and the air gets dirtier. I decide that the solution to this problem is to point a gun at some rich people and demand their money. With the funds so secured, we are able to clean the air and the day is saved.
Even with the most noble of intentions, I think we can all agree that what I did was theft. It doesn't suddenly not become theft if I was part of a mafia of ten, or ten thousand. It might be practical of the individual to not complain, but that doesn't change what I did. If I don't pay taxes, armed agents hired by the government will take me away and lock me in a cage.

Not to mention that is only half on him: the economy was on a boom since Obama took the POTUS seat, and while the Trump administration does have the merit of making the ball keep rolling, he's not, by far, the saviour he makes himself out to be.
Not that his brainwashed followers are going to believe a word of that, of course, but the point is to convince the moderates that the Democrat candidate is going to be better than what the USA has now.