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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271526: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:20:26 PM

Well, he has announced his support for Trump's action. I suspect that he's afraid of losing his re-election bid if he doesn't and that he's not really happy with the precedent set, although that's just my speculation. Never mind that all his procedural tricks won't help when the House sends a motion of disapproval on its way, it's a privileged motion and he can't say "I am not going to schedule a vote on this".

Certainly.

My point is just that his behavior is far more motivated by cowardice then rationality, he's so craven he can't even do amoral self-interest right.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#271527: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:22:02 PM

@Clarste: The number of executive orders that Obama made was not particularly exceptional, being fewer then both Bush and Clinton, and issuing an executive order is not in the same realm as declaring a state of emergency during something other then a war or in the immediate aftermath of a disaster.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271528: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:24:38 PM

@Clarste: The number of executive orders that Obama made was not particularly exceptional, being fewer then both Bush and Clinton, and issuing an executive order is not in the same realm as declaring a state of emergency during something other then a war or in the immediate aftermath of a disaster.

Which is what Trump is doing, that's the entire point of precedent. At the moment issuing an executive order is not in the same as declaring a state of emergency, but if Trump uses it to fund the wall there is no reason to assume that Democrats aren't going to use that precedent.

They have to or else their power will be gone. If Republicans are allowed to circumvent Congress whenever they want without consequences then they'll keep doing it, and Democrats know that.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#271529: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:32:51 PM

So, assuming for a moment that his State of Emergency stands, (and I suspect it will, we've been headed this direction for a long time.) We can either amend the law to restrict further abuses of power or the country will be continually in a state of emergency, where the rule of law is overridden by the rule of whoever our Supreme Leader happens to be. (Just kidding, we're been here for a while but not many people have noticed.)

I'll be honest here, if the democrats manage the 'restrict further abuses of power' route, in my mind it will be a pretty good reason to vote for them. However, given their past track record, I don't see any reason to trust that they will.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271530: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:35:05 PM

So, assuming for a moment that his State of Emergency stands, (and I suspect it will, we've been headed this direction for a long time.) We can either amend the law to restrict further abuses of power or the country will be continually in a state of emergency, where the rule of law is overridden by the rule of whoever our Supreme Leader happens to be. (Just kidding, we're been here for a while but not many people have noticed.)

I'll be honest here, if the democrats manage the 'restrict further abuses of power' route, in my mind it will be a pretty good reason to vote for them. However, given their past track record, I don't see any reason to trust that they will.

Democrats are the ones opposing this, what "past record" makes you think that they aren't interested in stopping this nonsense?

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
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#271531: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:41:36 PM

CNN Breaking: Sarah Sanders has talked with Mueller over Russia investigation.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#271532: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:45:44 PM

Roger Stone and his legal team have been gagged by the presiding judge.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/15/politics/roger-stone-gag-order/index.html

Honestly, this is probably for his own damn good, in addition to preventing him for intimidating more witnesses.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#271533: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:52:53 PM

[up]I'd agree. That was a mercy move. Stone is just too good at shooting his own defence in, well, every available limb. tongue

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271534: Feb 15th 2019 at 2:36:52 PM

Y'know I'm beginning to suspect that Trump isn't going to have a good time during his emergency.

I love that Pelosi's on the attack grin

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Imca (Veteran)
#271535: Feb 15th 2019 at 2:50:25 PM

How long until the house votes or it hits the courts do you guys think?

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#271536: Feb 15th 2019 at 2:53:37 PM

@Soban: A civil war between Trump supporters on their power scooters waving canes at millenials and the alt-right who will inevitably back down from a real fight doesnt sound so bad to me. But there would be no civil war or unrest, I see it far more likely that there would be a rise of right wing terrorism supported by some Conservative Christians.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271537: Feb 15th 2019 at 2:53:57 PM

How long until the house votes or it hits the courts do you guys think?

Well the ACLU is suing him so it'll be hitting the courts... now.

And considering that Trump said that there isn't actually an emergency and he's just doing it because it's faster I think he's going to have a bad time.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 15th 2019 at 5:57:47 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#271538: Feb 15th 2019 at 2:58:35 PM

Isn't that essentially a confession that he's abusing the power of his position?

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271539: Feb 15th 2019 at 2:59:14 PM

Isn't that essentially a confession that he's abusing the power of his position?

Yes, yes it is.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#271540: Feb 15th 2019 at 3:02:59 PM

The guy can't stop telling on himself.

i'm tired, my friend
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#271542: Feb 15th 2019 at 3:19:45 PM

[up]x8 If you loved that then you'll adore this. Trump Declares Emergency For Border Wall, House Panel Launches Probe

That was fast.

Edited by kkhohoho on Feb 15th 2019 at 5:21:21 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271543: Feb 15th 2019 at 3:25:30 PM

[up]You're completely right, I do smile

Turns out that there are costs to doing something so stupid.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#271544: Feb 15th 2019 at 3:27:10 PM

Pelosi's response was particularly nice because it does not rely on anyone in this situation having morals, but rather, making it very clear how negative the results will be for the opposition if they push this through.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#271545: Feb 15th 2019 at 3:47:59 PM

With an emergency formally declared, Trump left Washington to travel to his Mar-a-Lago golf resort in Florida for a holiday break.

Of course he did.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#271546: Feb 15th 2019 at 3:52:41 PM

I just realized that I don't think Trump ever recovered from his time in the WWE.

He chooses to live every day as a wrestling heel.

Mind you, he fucked that up too as his angle of "buying the WWE" from the Mc Mahons led to a run on their stock.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#271547: Feb 15th 2019 at 4:03:48 PM

[up][up]Does this man have to take a golf break after doing anything?

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#271548: Feb 15th 2019 at 4:05:38 PM

Trump doesn't take breaks from being President to golf.

He's taking breaks from Golf to do presidenting.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#271549: Feb 15th 2019 at 4:06:57 PM

If they closed Margo Logo where would he go?

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#271550: Feb 15th 2019 at 4:09:36 PM

I think he had a golf course in Scotland.


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