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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#271501: Feb 15th 2019 at 9:14:00 AM

Honestly I think Ann Coulter is saying that because she doesn’t believe he will actually do anything. That or she was looking for another government shutdown.

I.E. it’s not because even she thought it was to extreme, she just doesn’t think he is going far enough.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271502: Feb 15th 2019 at 9:15:51 AM

Yeah, Coulter has been pissed at Trump for a while.

Because he's moderated himself too much to the GOP mainstream, Coulter wants him to become more extreme in his reactionary authoritarianism not less.

She just dislikes that he's all show and no substance.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#271503: Feb 15th 2019 at 9:20:18 AM

Let's not give Ann Coulter a pass here. She would rather have another government shutdown unless Trump's original dollar figure (or higher) for the wall was approved. She's hardly the voice of reason here.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#271504: Feb 15th 2019 at 9:22:23 AM

Well, it happened.

So, where do we go from here, assuming this shit isn't in some way blocked?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#271505: Feb 15th 2019 at 9:23:05 AM

Anne Coulter is still a favorite pin up girl praised by many Neo-Nazis. I am disturbed to know that.

I read one of her books out of curiosity as well.

The book contained (in no particular order):

  • A statement the United States going to war for oil was reasonable
  • A passionate defense of Joseph Mc Carthy
  • A statement that Muslims were dangerous and almost all terrorists were
  • Immigration was a source of welfare drains, criminals, and uncontrollable breeding
  • White people were a persecuted minority
  • Not just Christianity was threatened but "productive" Christianity that I assume she meant that Catholics and Blacks were off her list.

She'd be terrifying if she had any power.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 15th 2019 at 9:25:47 AM

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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#271506: Feb 15th 2019 at 9:32:50 AM

[up]She might be dismissing 'nominal' Christianity too.

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SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#271507: Feb 15th 2019 at 9:32:55 AM

Crossposting with the race thread:

Texts show collusion between police and far-right extremists, Oregon official claims.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#271508: Feb 15th 2019 at 9:41:38 AM

What a surprise, people who drift to a profession that generally expects them to exert political violence belong to a political group that believes in the right of the state to exert political violence.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#271509: Feb 15th 2019 at 9:53:48 AM

Where do we go from here?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I called my congressman (John Katko - find yours here) and requested that he support impeaching Trump.

Because this kind of shit? That might benefit the GOP in the short-term, but they really need to consider the long-term effects of this overreach. What happens if Ocasio-Cortez becomes President and declares a National Emergency to resolve Climate Change, as that poses an "existential threat" and Congress isn't budging on it? Because that's the exact scenario the GOP is setting up if they don't rein in Trump on this shit.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#271510: Feb 15th 2019 at 10:08:08 AM

[up]At least some in the GOP won’t care because they probably have the (not unjustified) belief that the Democrats would not go through with such extreme actions, especially after they spent all of this time condemning those actions by Republicans.

In essence they feel that the Democrats will be to scared of being called “hypocites” that they think this decision won’t come back to bite them.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#271511: Feb 15th 2019 at 10:13:12 AM

[up][up]Bad example. Seeing as solving climate change is something we'd actually want.

[up]x7 Pelosi and Schumer are already pledging to oppose it along with Senators on both sides of the fence and a number of AG's. This is going to get tangled up in Congress, lawsuits, you name it. This is far from over.

Edited by kkhohoho on Feb 15th 2019 at 12:18:19 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#271512: Feb 15th 2019 at 10:17:19 AM

[up]We ( and most of the world) want it, but they don't, I think is the point.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#271513: Feb 15th 2019 at 10:19:01 AM

[up][up][up] Rightfully so, of course. They're so used to the low road and the Dems keep being crippled by a combination of that and being much less of a unified bloc the GOP knows they can largely act with impunity.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271514: Feb 15th 2019 at 10:52:03 AM

At least some in the GOP won’t care because they probably have the (not unjustified) belief that the Democrats would not go through with such extreme actions, especially after they spent all of this time condemning those actions by Republicans.

In essence they feel that the Democrats will be to scared of being called “hypocites” that they think this decision won’t come back to bite them.

Uh no, the assumption that Democrats won't go through with it is completely unjustified.

Democrats have strongly opposed the Republicans and Pelosi has literally said that if the Republicans create this precedent Democratic Presidents will use it, they'd be morons to assume that Democrats won't reciprocate.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#271515: Feb 15th 2019 at 10:53:57 AM

Speaking of hypocrisy:

Trump once called executive action on immigration dangerous, unconstitutional and impeachable – President Donald Trump once said taking executive action on immigration was an unconstitutional action that could lead to impeachment.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/14/politics/kfile-trump-immigration-executive-action-2014/index.html

Is there still a Twitter or something keeping track of these "This is what I say but this is what I do" moments?


For the heck of it, on a related note:

Mitch Mc Connell’s dark secret: he used to support campaign finance reform – Mc Connell called money in politics a "cancer" in a 1973 op-ed. Then he ran for Senate.

https://www.vox.com/2019/2/15/18224850/mitch-mcconnell-campaign-finance-reform-hr1

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 15th 2019 at 11:56:17 AM

Cris_Meyers reluctant author, willing misanthrope from Chicagoland (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#271516: Feb 15th 2019 at 11:23:14 AM

Clearly the problem was that he wasn't benefiting from that money

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#271517: Feb 15th 2019 at 11:25:39 AM

You cannot shame the shameless.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#271518: Feb 15th 2019 at 11:42:32 AM

@Fourth Spartan: She says that now, but if/when the time comes to follow through on that threat I am not so certain that a hypothetical Democratic President would do so and/or would have the backing of enough of the Democratic Party.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#271519: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:05:20 PM

Obama made a record breaking number of Congress-sidestepping executive orders, so the idea that Democrats wouldn't use these methods if they were made available is entirely baseless.

Edited by Clarste on Feb 15th 2019 at 12:06:07 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#271520: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:07:21 PM

Yeah,but hopefully not as many,one does simply sidingstepp congress..

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271521: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:08:03 PM

@Fourth Spartan: She says that now, but if/when the time comes to follow through on that threat I am not so certain that a hypothetical Democratic President would do so and/or would have the backing of enough of the Democratic Party.

I feel confident Pelosi understands the party politics far better than either of us and thus I highly doubt that she would make such a threat if it couldn't be backed up.

Obama made a record breaking number of Congress-sidestepping executive orders, so the idea that Democrats wouldn't use these methods if they were made available is entirely baseless.

Well said.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#271522: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:09:57 PM

The Evil Turtle is an amoral, unpincipled, standard-free stereotype politician. I am sure that if Kentucky were to become a blue state tomorrow he'd change his party affiliation so fast you'd never notice that he was a Republican before. I am also 100% sure that he'll line up behind Trump on the national emergency declaration until Democrats plot to do the same thing and then cry about a "power grab".

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271523: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:11:13 PM

The Evil Turtle is an amoral, unpincipled, standard-free stereotype politician. I am sure that if Kentucky were to become a blue state tomorrow he'd change his party affiliation so fast you'd never notice that he was a Republican before. I am also 100% sure that he'll line up behind Trump on the national emergency declaration until Democrats plot to do the same thing and then cry about a "power grab".

Well yeah, but that's stupid.

Creating precedent and then crying when people make use of that is not the actions of a smart person, I have no doubt he's amoral or self-interested but I'm not really in awe of his strategy or foresight.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#271524: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:18:48 PM

Well, he has announced his support for Trump's action. I suspect that he's afraid of losing his re-election bid if he doesn't and that he's not really happy with the precedent set, although that's just my speculation. Never mind that all his procedural tricks won't help when the House sends a motion of disapproval on its way, it's a privileged motion and he can't say "I am not going to schedule a vote on this".

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#271525: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:19:48 PM

In Real Life, sociopaths are pretty terrible at long-term planning and risk-menagement.


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