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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#271451: Feb 14th 2019 at 4:50:44 PM

You know, the most insulting thing to California about this is that Trump wants to use the National Emergency to take money that was supposed to go to California flood control to pay for his wall.
The Federal government, particularly when GOP-controlled, has a fetish with rooking California.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#271452: Feb 14th 2019 at 5:06:28 PM

What time is the signing/possible declaration of emergency supposed to be?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#271453: Feb 14th 2019 at 5:37:50 PM

The House is voting on it in about an hour IIRC.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#271454: Feb 14th 2019 at 5:46:49 PM

Although any actual declaration may not be until tomorrow apparently.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#271455: Feb 14th 2019 at 5:55:58 PM

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/02/14/day-756/

    Day 756: Emergency declaration 

1/ Trump will declare a national emergency to bypass Congress and build his border wall after signing the spending legislation to prevent another government shutdown. The border security compromise provides $1.375 billion for 55 miles of steel-post fencing – basically the same deal Trump rejected in December – instead of the $5.7 billion he demanded for more than 200 miles of steel or concrete wall. The emergency declaration would allow Trump to redirect funds from other parts of the government without congressional approval. The Senate advanced the spending package in an 81-16 vote. The House is expected to approve the package later tonight. (Washington Post / New York Times / CNBC / CNN / NBC News / Wall Street Journal / Bloomberg)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/14/politics/donald-trump-wall-funding-bill/index.html

2/ A federal judge ruled that Paul Manafort violated the terms of his cooperation deal by repeatedly lying to Robert Mueller and a grand jury about "his interactions and communications with [Konstantin] Kilimnik," a longtime aide who the FBI assessed to have ties to Russian intelligence. Judge Amy Berman Jackson found that Manafort also intentionally lied about $125,000 he received for legal bills and about another unnamed Justice Department criminal investigation. Manafort will not be able to retract his guilty plea, but he will still be required to hold up his end of the plea deal. The ruling does free Mueller's office from having to comply with the obligations in Manafort's cooperation agreement, notably offering Manafort a reduced sentence for his cooperation. The breach of the cooperation deal after his guilty plea could add years to Manafort's prison sentence, having been convicted last year of eight felonies, including tax and bank fraud. Manafort later pleaded guilty to two additional conspiracy counts. (CNN / Washington Post / New York Times / Politico / Vox / Wall Street Journal)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/13/politics/paul-manafort-robert-mueller/index.html

3/ The Senate confirmed William Barr as attorney general, putting him in command of the Justice Department and its ongoing investigation into links between Russia's interference in the 2016 election and the Trump campaign. Last year, Barr sent a 19-page, unsolicited memo to the Justice Department and Trump's lawyers, arguing that Trump has the power to "start or stop a law enforcement proceeding," and therefore he could prevent Mueller from investigating whether Trump committed obstruction of justice when he pressured James Comey to drop an investigation into Michael Flynn. Barr previously served as George H.W. Bush's attorney general in the 1990s. (New York Times / Washington Post / Wall Street Journal / Bloomberg)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/william-barr-expected-to-be-confirmed-as-attorney-general-thursday/2019/02/13/f162e514-2f1a-11e9-813a-0ab2f17e305b_story.html

4/ The former deputy F.B.I. director said Justice Department officials discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment and remove Trump from office after Trump fired Comey – his former boss – in May 2017. Andrew McCabe ordered the team investigating Russia's election interference to look into whether Trump had obstructed justice by firing Comey, and examine whether Trump had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests. McCabe's order came two days after Comey was fired in order "to put the Russia case on absolutely solid ground, in an indelible fashion" so the investigation "could not be closed or vanish in the night without a trace". McCabe was fired last March and stripped of his pension days before his planned retirement, because he "lacked candor." (CBS News / Wall Street Journal / Washington Post / New York Times)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andrew-mccabe-says-he-ordered-the-obstruction-of-justice-case-of-president-trump-60-minutes/

📌 Day 110: Trump fired James Comey on the recommendation of Jeff Sessions. In a letter dated Tuesday to Comey, Trump concurred "with the judgment of the Department of Justice that [Comey is not] able to effectively lead the bureau." Earlier, the FBI notified Congress that Comey misstated key findings involving the Clinton email investigation during testimony, saying that only a "small number" of emails had been forwarded to disgraced congressman Anthony Weiner, not the "hundreds and thousands" he’d claimed in his testimony. The move sweeps away the man who is responsible for the investigation into whether members of Trump's campaign team colluded with Russia in its interference in last year's election. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein laid out the reasons for Comey's firing, arguing that the handling of his investigation into Clinton's private server, his decision not to recommend charges be filed, and the news conference he held to explain his reasoning were the cause of his dismissal. Democrats reacted with shock and alarm, accusing Trump of ousting the FBI director to escape scrutiny over his campaign’s Russia ties. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer urged deputy Rosenstein to appoint a special prosecutor for the federal probe into the Trump campaign’s ties with Russian officials — warning that failing to do so will lead the public to “rightly suspect” that Comey’s surprise firing “was part of a cover-up.” (Washington Post / New York Times / NBC News / CNN / Politico)

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/james-comey-fbi-trump-white-out/

📌 Day 610: Rod Rosenstein raised the idea of wearing a wire last year to secretly record Trump in the White House and expose the chaos in the administration, according to memos written by Andrew McCabe, then the acting FBI director. Rosenstein also discussed recruiting Jeff Sessions and John Kelly, then the secretary of homeland security, to invoke the 25th Amendment and remove Trump from office. Rosenstein called the report "inaccurate and factually incorrect," adding: "Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment." At least one person who was present for the discussions said Rosenstein was joking. (New York Times / Washington Post / Bloomberg / Associated Press)

https://apnews.com/e84a4acdb4264111804148de5a91661c/Rosenstein-denies-that-he-proposed-secretly-taping-Trump

📌 Day 725: The FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation into whether Trump had been working on behalf of Russia after he fired Comey in May 2017. Law enforcement officials became concerned that if Trump had fired Comey to stop the Russia investigation, his behavior would have constituted a threat to national security. Counterintelligence agents were also investigating why Trump was acting in ways that seemed to benefit Russia. No evidence has publicly emerged – yet – that Trump was secretly taking direction from Russian government officials. Sarah Huckabee Sanders called the report "absurd" and claimed that, compared to Obama, "Trump has actually been tough on Russia." (New York Times / CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/11/politics/nyt-russia-trump-investigation/index.html

    Notables 
Trump is dramatically downsizing two teams of federal officials tasked with fighting election interference by foreign countries. The task forces are part of the Cyber Security and Infrastructure Agency and were assembled in response to Russian interference in the 2016 election. One of the task forces is half the size it was a few months ago, and there are no indications that senior political leadership plans to rebuild it. The other task force was reduced significantly after the 2018 midterms, before its staff could produce a full assessment of what happened during the election. DHS sources say "2020 is going to be the perfect storm." (Daily Beast)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-dhs-guts-task-forces-protecting-elections-from-foreign-meddling

The House voted to stop U.S. funding for Saudi Arabia's war on Yemen. The move is seen as an attempt to limit presidential war powers and highlight Congress' anger of Trump's refusal to condemn Saudi Arabia in the wake of Jamal Khashoggi's murder inside the Saudi consulate in Turkey. The vote was 248 to 177 in favor of stopping aid and condemning the Saudi campaign, which has killed thousands of civilians and caused a massive famine and an historic cholera outbreak. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/us/politics/yemen-war-saudi-arabia.html

Trump is accelerating a secret U.S. program to sabotage Iran's missiles and rockets in an attempt to cripple Iran's military and isolate its economy. The program has never been publicly acknowledged by U.S. officials, which involves slipping faulty parts and materials into Iran's aerospace supply chains. It was started under the Bush administration and was active early in the Obama administration, but it was winding down by 2017 when Mike Pompeo took over as CIA director and started ramping things up again. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/us/politics/iran-missile-launch-failures.html

A White House security specialist wants official whistleblower protections from the federal government after she raised concerns about "unwarranted security clearances" for top administration officials like Jared Kushner. Tricia Newbold requested whistleblower protections less than two weeks after she was suspended without pay by her supervisor, Carl Kline. Newbold says Kline "repeatedly mishandled security files and has approved unwarranted security clearances," one of which was Jared Kushner's. Kline overruled Newbold's concerns and approved top-secret security clearance for Kushner and at least 30 White House officials. (NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/whistleblower-seeks-protection-after-sounding-alarm-over-white-house-security-n970586

Trump is in "very good health overall," according to results from his physical examination. Last year, then-physician Rear Adm. Ronny Jackson declared Trump in "excellent health," joking that Trump "might live to be 200 years old" if he made improvements to his diet. Trump gained four pounds since last year, putting his body mass index at 30.4, which makes him clinically obese. (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/14/health/trump-physical-results-2019-bn/index.html

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 14th 2019 at 6:56:37 AM

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#271456: Feb 14th 2019 at 7:18:28 PM

Just when things were starting to turn around for the GOP what with the targeting over the New Green Deal and socialism, and the Northam stuff, Trump finds a way to yank the football away from Charlie Brown.

It's reassuring to know that the status quo is still in effect.

Pelosi's comment:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Thursday blasted President Trump’s move to declare a national emergency to build the border wall, accusing the president of making an “end-run around Congress” and warning that a future Democratic president could do the same thing on gun control.

Pelosi told reporters that Republicans should “have some dismay about the door that they’re opening” should they endorse Trump’s expected emergency declaration to fund his U.S.-Mexico barrier. She noted that a Democratic president could call the gun control epidemic claiming thousands of lives every year an emergency — a pointed threat on an issue Republicans hold dear: gun rights.

“You want to talk about an national emergency? Let’s talk about today, the one-year anniversary of another manifestation of the epidemic of gun violence in America,” Pelosi said, referring to the Parkland, Fla., shooting that left more than a dozen high school students dead. “That’s a national emergency …. A Democratic president could do that.”

Edited by Kamiccolo on Feb 14th 2019 at 7:19:26 AM

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#271457: Feb 14th 2019 at 7:27:22 PM

She's practically promising payback. This could get ugly.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#271458: Feb 14th 2019 at 7:32:30 PM

She's more just pointing out the flaws in his logic, and trying to get the GOP to take a step back on it.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#271459: Feb 14th 2019 at 7:33:02 PM

[up][up]Weren't you the one saying we needed to oppose him?

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#271460: Feb 14th 2019 at 7:34:21 PM

More like a threat than a promise. Pelosi can force a vote to rescind Trump's emergency declaration and this is her way of telling Republicans to vote against it or face the political consequences later.

Edited by Parable on Feb 14th 2019 at 7:34:59 AM

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#271461: Feb 14th 2019 at 7:49:22 PM

That's not opposing Trump, that's promising consequences if it goes through anyway. If the worst happens and Trump gets his emergency, and the courts uphold it, when eventually the Dems take back the white house I do not want us to go down that path, regardless of "eye for an eye." Let them destroy democracy, if it ever comes to that, but we should die fighting for it, not undermining it in our favor.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
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Lost in Space
#271463: Feb 14th 2019 at 8:48:13 PM

I don't know... if terrorism can be considered a national emergency worthy of an undeclared war, then gun violence sure as hell could. I'm not saying this is the solution, but sauce for the goose...

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#271464: Feb 14th 2019 at 9:06:56 PM

Considering there are far more deaths from gun violence than from terrorism of any kind, pretty much.

Though I will say that any kind of action on guns is far more politically fraught in the US than action on terrorism.

They should have sent a poet.
GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#271465: Feb 15th 2019 at 3:02:15 AM

I don't see it as promising "payback", more like pointing out to the Republicans that Trump is setting a precedent that could (and most likely would) come back to bite them in ass in the long run. I don't know where you'd draw the line between using logic to point out the obvious and vowing retaliation, but I'm firmly in the first camp on this one.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Feb 15th 2019 at 11:02:55 AM

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#271466: Feb 15th 2019 at 3:47:36 AM

Seems like Pelosi is trying to scare Republican senators into supporting a motion of disapproval. The law that governs emergency declarations allows Congress to invalidate one through a resolution of disapproval, and Pelosi will almost certainly send such a motion on the way.

Now such a resolution is a normal law meaning that it has to pass the Senate and can be vetoed and Congress would need 2/3 majorities in each House to override the expected veto...but the cool thing is that a resolution is a "privileged motion" thus it can't be filibustered and Evil Turtle can't block it from getting a vote. Thus if the House approves the motion (and it surely will) Republican senators will have to pick a position.

Either vote Aye and stare down Trump and his voters or vote Nay and helplessly watch future Democratic presidents declare climate change a national emergency and mine the - scarily expansive - emergency powers for this purpose and their advantage.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Feb 15th 2019 at 12:52:15 PM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#271467: Feb 15th 2019 at 6:48:12 AM

The former governor of Massachusetts and Libertarian VP candidate Bill Weld is considering plans to wage a primary campaign against Trump. Probably won't go anywhere, given that GOP approval of Trump is in the high 80s.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/15/politics/bill-weld-2020-exploratory-committee/index.html

Also getting word via CNN that Trump's emergency declaration is coming within the hour.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Feb 15th 2019 at 10:50:48 AM

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#271468: Feb 15th 2019 at 6:53:55 AM

I feel that if the Democrats decided gun violence was a emergency and implemented the forms of gun control they really want, the result would be a low grade civil war.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#271469: Feb 15th 2019 at 6:55:13 AM

I mean, the first thing they'd implement is "a fucking study into the dangers of gun control," something they're somehow barred from doing now.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#271470: Feb 15th 2019 at 6:57:32 AM

[up][up] Far less likely than you’d think. A majority of gun owners support comprehensive gun control. [1] [2]

Edited by archonspeaks on Feb 15th 2019 at 6:58:54 AM

They should have sent a poet.
Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#271471: Feb 15th 2019 at 6:58:56 AM

The CDC isn't banned from studying gun violence. More importantly, even if they were, others would be able to do so to their hearts desire. You'll probably hate this source, but it's the other side's perspective.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/09/no-government-isnt-banned-from-studying-gun-violence/

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#271472: Feb 15th 2019 at 6:58:57 AM

[up][up]Yeah, they don't have the numbers and organization to wage outright civil war. Now, going Oklahoma City a few times is well within their capabilities.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Feb 15th 2019 at 10:59:10 AM

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#271473: Feb 15th 2019 at 7:03:15 AM

[up][up] Within the first few paragraphs that article admits its own premise is incorrect. As they point out, when the CDC attempted to conduct gun violence studies, congress immediately stripped every last dollar it had to fund said studies away, and in the time since only around 30 studies have been funded, and small ones at that, due to continued funding threats.

The rest of the article is just bitching about Obama and CDC funding as a whole, which isn’t really relevant to the topic.

I’m far to the pro-gun side of this issue. I own guns, even carry every now and then, and I consider shooting one of my main hobbies. That said, I don’t think my hobby is worth innocent lives. I happily support increased gun control measures and vote and donate in line with that as often as I can. The way the gun crisis has been handled in the US is deeply shameful, something has to be done.

Edited by archonspeaks on Feb 15th 2019 at 7:23:56 AM

They should have sent a poet.
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#271474: Feb 15th 2019 at 8:05:26 AM

So has the "emergency" been declared yet?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014

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