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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#270726: Feb 9th 2019 at 3:12:49 PM

It's not just that, it's that they think those ideas are fundamentally ridiculous and will either alienate the general voterbase beyond the dem's hardcore base, or they fail on their own merit because they're bad.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#270728: Feb 9th 2019 at 3:23:03 PM

...there no sarcastic remark worthy of mocking this...

As a friend of mine used to say: "the best jokes write themselves".

Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 9th 2019 at 8:26:25 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#270729: Feb 9th 2019 at 3:34:04 PM

Beto and Bernie never campaigned for POTUS in the general election. Not sure if their funding models would work there.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#270730: Feb 9th 2019 at 4:03:11 PM

This might have already been mentioned/known, but Corey Booker has announced his run for presidency.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270731: Feb 9th 2019 at 4:05:11 PM

This might have already been mentioned/known, but Corey Booker has announced his run for presidency.

Heard about that, not a fan of his support for Charter schools.

He definitely isn't my 1st, 2nd, or 3rd choice.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#270732: Feb 9th 2019 at 4:13:44 PM

I mostly scanned the article, granted, but the concept seems solid to me, why do you feel Charter schools are a bad idea?

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270733: Feb 9th 2019 at 4:15:36 PM

I mostly scanned the article, granted, but the concept seems solid to me, why do you feel Charter schools are a bad idea?

Because advocacy for them is universally connected to giving affluent families an excuse to abandon public schools and thus directly encouraging education inequality.

And they don't work.

If I wanted a President who'd support that I'd vote De Vos 2020.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#270734: Feb 9th 2019 at 4:18:23 PM

They combine the worst bits of public and private schooling.

Disgusted, but not surprised
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#270736: Feb 9th 2019 at 4:23:55 PM

Not a big fan of charter schools in most cases, but I like some of his other proposals.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270738: Feb 9th 2019 at 4:44:33 PM

Okay, that does sound pretty terrible.

Thanks for taking the time to inform me, though.

My pleasure smile

Charter schools like many pro-market reforms don't sound bad hypothetically but in actuality have terrible effects. It's understandable that you wouldn't know the specifics.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#270739: Feb 9th 2019 at 4:47:20 PM

[up][up]How deluded can this man get, good Lord.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#270740: Feb 9th 2019 at 4:51:33 PM

It's also worrying, because if Trump does lose....he won't concede.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#270741: Feb 9th 2019 at 4:54:21 PM

He was advised to do exactly that last election. This should be expected and planned for accordingly.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270742: Feb 9th 2019 at 4:57:31 PM

It's also worrying, because if Trump does lose....he won't concede.

I'm going, to be honest, there just isn't enough time in the world to justify worrying about something like this.

If Trump refuses to concede (keep in mind that he's a giant coward so this is in no way guaranteed) then he'll just be escorted out by the secret service.

Boom done.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 9th 2019 at 7:58:08 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#270743: Feb 9th 2019 at 5:04:03 PM

Oh, I'm not worried about elections being overridden. Trump encouraging riots, hate crimes and domestic terrorism on a grand scale on the other hand...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270744: Feb 9th 2019 at 5:07:13 PM

Oh, I'm not worried about elections being overridden. Trump encouraging riots, hate crimes and domestic terrorism on a grand scale on the other hand...

Fair, that's an actually reasonable thing to be concerned about.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#270745: Feb 9th 2019 at 5:12:06 PM

Speaking of charter schools, here’s an article about the effect charter schools had on Michigan. Spoilers: very, VERY bad effects. Oh, and the origin of private schools is super racist. Charter schools aren’t technically private schools, but the concept of pulling kids from public schools is similar in effect. Many of the most successful charter schools essentially limit their admissions to high performing students (who would have also excelled had they remained in public schools), which skews the data when they claim good results.

Indiana is trying to expand charter schools, and I’m furious both as a person and as a former public high school teacher. Additional side note: funding our public schools through property taxes is racist and classist and wrong.

I actually supported privatizing education in my early 20s. Before I read up on the realities of private ed, and charter schools. Before I became a teacher. I really goddamn hope Booker isn’t the nominee, because I think his support for charter schools is reprehensible.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#270746: Feb 9th 2019 at 5:14:37 PM

He might not even need to do anything, that's the scariest thingh: his little demented cult is so obsessed they might get up in arms if/when he loses even if the man himself doesn't do anything.

Either way, the 2020 election is shaping up to be quite the circus, in the worst way possible

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270747: Feb 9th 2019 at 5:15:21 PM

Indiana is trying to expand charter schools, and I’m furious both as a person and as a former public high school teacher. Additional side note: funding our public schools through property taxes is racist and classist and wrong.

I couldn't agree more, it's a completely irrational allocation of resources. Giving the most affluent people the best schools just mean that the people who need the least help will get the most.

It's completely unacceptable and should be opposed as much as possible.

I actually supported privatizing education in my early 20s. Before I read up on the realities of private ed, and charter schools. Before I became a teacher. I really goddamn hope Booker isn’t the nominee, because I think his support for charter schools is reprehensible.

Well said!

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 9th 2019 at 8:15:45 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#270748: Feb 9th 2019 at 5:16:20 PM

Having actually attended a private school for a mercifully brief time, I agree that they suuuck.

And charter schools are apparently worse.

Edited by M84 on Feb 9th 2019 at 9:16:38 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270749: Feb 9th 2019 at 5:18:49 PM

It's kind of weird, I was opposed to Booker before but talking about his position on Charter schools has made me oppose him much more.

I knew all of this intellectually and yet spending the time to properly examine it gave me more motivation to be opposed to him.

It's fascinating.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 9th 2019 at 8:19:32 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#270750: Feb 9th 2019 at 5:19:27 PM

I’m genuinely not trying to doomsay here, but a big part of me worries that if a Dem beats Trump, someone is going to try and assassinate them in his name. It’s just a gut feeling that won’t go away.


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