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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270701: Feb 9th 2019 at 11:52:02 AM

Screw Northam, I hope for as long as there are records of contemporary Virginian politics he is remembered as a selfish disaster of a man who refused to take responsibility for his past racism.

Edit: Oooh, page topper. Nice grin

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 9th 2019 at 2:52:40 PM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#270702: Feb 9th 2019 at 12:05:32 PM

Is it possible to primary him with a Democrat contender who isn't a hugely irresponsible racist?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#270703: Feb 9th 2019 at 12:27:24 PM

Virginian governors are limited to a single term, so he can't even run again.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#270705: Feb 9th 2019 at 12:46:43 PM

[up]Oh my god the header picture is so perfect lol

EDIT: Oh, he's blind. That's my bad, I didn't read the article all the way through properly. Even if he is an awful human being making jokes about it is in bad taste.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Feb 9th 2019 at 5:05:18 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#270706: Feb 9th 2019 at 12:55:04 PM

Apparently, he's blind. The top comment cracking a joke that they don't see eye-to-eye is in poor taste, but considering what an asshole he is, I'm fine with it.

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#270707: Feb 9th 2019 at 1:12:52 PM

I would say that the most successful societies are the ones that account for vices as a given and find ways to starve them, channel them into harmlessness, or even to productive ends that benefit all.

What I understand "kyriarchy" to mean can be summed up as

  • society is and should be hierarchical,
  • people's positions in the ladder is deserved and due to their intrinsic goodness or lack thereof,
  • and, because of their position, should be admired and obeyed and showered with gifts, or despised and mistreated and exploited,
  • accordingly, your goal in life should be to get yourself on top of the ladder and be a good lobster, or loyally support your master as a good subordinate should
  • people who fail to live out their assigned roles are demoted and marginalized, if not physically tortured or eliminated
  • you are expected to place the compliance with, nay, the exaltation of, the hierarchy and its rules, even if it directly makes you miserable to do so, even if it hurts you and your loved ones
  • intrinsic qualities, for the purpose of ranking, are assumed from things that are assumed to be difficult to change from birth, such as gender, appearance, or ancestry

The Gempire from Steven Universe seems like a textbook abstract example of a kyriarchy, explained to children. That show is also a great example of 'education' that is not formal, structured, or credentialed, but is still extremely didactic.

'Bigotry' is just an aggregate of bad ideas. But they're incoherent, inconsistent, and inaccurate. They can be eroded, one after another, by sheer logic and empirical truth.

It's fairly easy to be a bigot about certain things and not others. That's why intersectional approaches are needed. If I remember correctly, the term was created to conceptualize how a group of black women were having trouble getting help from anti-racist organizations and feminist organizations as they each believed they were the others' problem. I also seem to recall that US suffragettes were motivated by the sheer outrage that black men would get the vote on paper before them.

People like Rowling, that are progressive in many ways but entertain some form of intolerance or backwardness, hardly seem like irrecoverable cases. In fact, I'd argue that they are the norm, and giving up on them as irredeemably damned is tantamount to moral elitism. Nevertheless, they're a great example of why no one person should be given a disproportionate power to push their agenda at their own whim. Even the nicest ones will screw up one way or another, with the evil that their deeds can do being utterly disproportionate to the evil of their hearts.

To be blunt, I'll happily give up Bill Gates, Bloomberg, and Warren Buffet if it rids us of the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch, Jeff Bezos, or whoever the fuck the Wall Mart guys are. The harm the latter do is much worse than the good the former do.

Edited by Oruka on Feb 9th 2019 at 1:22:14 AM

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#270708: Feb 9th 2019 at 1:16:47 PM

Oruka, that's not what kyriarchy means. It just means that there are overlapping structures involved having power and privilege. There's nothing in the definition about whether or not we should exalt it or endorse it. In fact, the woman who coined the term would very definitely have the exact opposite opinion to what you just said, given that Fiorenza was evidently a radical feminist.

I have no idea where you got that shit from unless it's just your opinion about how kyriarchy should be viewed.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#270709: Feb 9th 2019 at 1:18:16 PM

‘It's crazy. It's loony': Republicans giddy as Democrats champion Green New Deal
Republicans hope their opponents may drift so far to the left that they will be more vulnerable in 2020.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/09/gop-sees-political-advantage-in-green-new-deal-1160725

Prominent Democrats have rushed to embrace the Green New Deal — and Republicans couldn't be happier about it.

As liberal groups pressure presidential candidates and lawmakers to back the ambitious climate proposal, Republicans hope their opponents may drift so far to the left that they will be more vulnerable in 2020. Since the election of President Donald Trump — who dismisses the link between carbon emissions and rising temperatures — Republicans have mostly steered clear of climate change, but in the Green New Deal they see a chance to pivot the argument back towards economics as growing majorities accept the underlying science.

“I would like them to push it as far as they can. I’d like to see it on the floor. I’d like to see them actually have to vote on it,” Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho), a senior Appropriator, told POLITICO. “It’s crazy. It’s loony.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump's most vocal champions, echoed that sentiment. “Let’s vote on the Green New Deal!” Graham tweeted Friday. “Americans deserve to see what kind of solutions far-left Democrats are offering to deal with climate change."

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) formally introduced their Green New Deal vision on Thursday, with a nonbinding resolution that is just 14 pages long (compared to the more than 1,400 pages in the cap-and-trade bill that passed in 2009). This leaves myriad details to be worked out before Democrats would have actual legislation ready to bring to the House floor.

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 9th 2019 at 2:19:36 AM

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#270710: Feb 9th 2019 at 1:26:46 PM

[up][up]I'm not saying that's what I believe about kyriarchies, I'm saying that's what kyriarchies's premises are. What it teaches people to believe to sustain itself. Racism, sexism, heteronormativity, toxic gender roles, imperialism, chauvinism, classism, Social Darwinism, Objectivism, and so on, they all share this fundamental worldview: "I get to hurt and use and hate you because I'm better than you, and you should look up to me and love me in return." The Chain of Harm, glorified and institutionalized. Or, as George Orwell said, "a boot, stomping on a human face, forever".

Thankfully, all those premises are easily-disproven bullshit, and really bad at making people happy.

[up]They're really out of touch, aren't they?

Edited by Oruka on Feb 9th 2019 at 1:36:39 AM

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#270712: Feb 9th 2019 at 2:07:13 PM

Remember how Fox tried to paint AOC as a terrifying Horse(wo)man of the Apocalypse because she wanted people to have health care, better wages, and prevent the world from suffering the effects of climate change?

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#270713: Feb 9th 2019 at 2:15:27 PM

Are you asking if we remember yesterday? Because that's what Fox was doing like 18 hours ago.

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#270714: Feb 9th 2019 at 2:15:45 PM

Didn't a conservative columnist come out of some progressive rally once saying "God help me, that free healthcare stuff sure is tempting", or something to that effect?

[down]Exactly.

[down][down][down]Nonsense. Small donors and a galvanized, activist base is what's needed.

Edited by Oruka on Feb 9th 2019 at 2:39:14 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#270715: Feb 9th 2019 at 2:15:51 PM

It's cute, they think that answering the base's demands for a leftward Overton window shift is going to lose the Democrats votes.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#270716: Feb 9th 2019 at 2:22:22 PM

Are you asking if we remember yesterday? Because that's what Fox was doing like 18 hours ago.

I was remembering a specific incident from a few weeks ago. I'm not surprised to see it hasn't stopped though.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#270717: Feb 9th 2019 at 2:28:33 PM

Warren was on the news today saying that she does not plan on taking any PAC money.

Given the size of Cheetos' war chest, I'm not sure if that's a viable choice

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#270718: Feb 9th 2019 at 2:38:40 PM

Well yeah being billionaire gives him a huge advantage over just about anyone running against him,not accepting Pac money sounds sounds naive but then one advantage is that she's not beholden to the super pacs that gave her the money,however,when it comes to raising much needed cash she's shooting herself in the foot

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 9th 2019 at 10:38:57 AM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#270719: Feb 9th 2019 at 2:41:31 PM

Trump has also been fundraising since he entered office.

Warren might be choosing the wrong hill to die on.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#270720: Feb 9th 2019 at 2:41:43 PM

Some small comfort: Trump has been funneling campaign contributions to cover his and his family's legal fees.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#270721: Feb 9th 2019 at 2:45:46 PM

Besides, Bernie Sanders raised a lot of money in 2016 with small donations and I want to see a number comparison before concluding that it's categorically ineffective.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270722: Feb 9th 2019 at 2:53:53 PM

Besides, Bernie Sanders raised a lot of money in 2016 with small donations and I want to see a number comparison before concluding that it's categorically ineffective.

IIRC Beto O'Rourke also earned quite a bit of money from small donations.

Though, he's probably not the best example.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#270725: Feb 9th 2019 at 3:11:27 PM

I think the way Republicans think is that the left will mismanage the situation so much, people will swing to their side again.

Which is a possibility, mind, it is perfectly possible to be a leftie and be incompetent.

[up]I hope, going forward, that the name Trump will be associated with "failure" the same way we associate Nixon with "corruption".

Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 9th 2019 at 8:12:42 AM


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