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I would say that the most successful societies are the ones that account for vices as a given and find ways to starve them, channel them into harmlessness, or even to productive ends that benefit all.
What I understand "kyriarchy" to mean can be summed up as
- society is and should be hierarchical,
- people's positions in the ladder is deserved and due to their intrinsic goodness or lack thereof,
- and, because of their position, should be admired and obeyed and showered with gifts, or despised and mistreated and exploited,
- accordingly, your goal in life should be to get yourself on top of the ladder
and be a good lobster, or loyally support your master as a good subordinate should - people who fail to live out their assigned roles are demoted and marginalized, if not physically tortured or eliminated
- you are expected to place the compliance with, nay, the exaltation of, the hierarchy and its rules, even if it directly makes you miserable to do so, even if it hurts you and your loved ones
- intrinsic qualities, for the purpose of ranking, are assumed from things that are assumed to be difficult to change from birth, such as gender, appearance, or ancestry
The Gempire from Steven Universe seems like a textbook abstract example of a kyriarchy, explained to children. That show is also a great example of 'education' that is not formal, structured, or credentialed, but is still extremely didactic.
'Bigotry' is just an aggregate of bad ideas. But they're incoherent, inconsistent, and inaccurate. They can be eroded, one after another, by sheer logic and empirical truth.
It's fairly easy to be a bigot about certain things and not others. That's why intersectional approaches are needed. If I remember correctly, the term was created to conceptualize how a group of black women were having trouble getting help from anti-racist organizations and feminist organizations as they each believed they were the others' problem. I also seem to recall that US suffragettes were motivated by the sheer outrage that black men would get the vote on paper before them.
People like Rowling, that are progressive in many ways but entertain some form of intolerance or backwardness, hardly seem like irrecoverable cases. In fact, I'd argue that they are the norm, and giving up on them as irredeemably damned is tantamount to moral elitism. Nevertheless, they're a great example of why no one person should be given a disproportionate power to push their agenda at their own whim. Even the nicest ones will screw up one way or another, with the evil that their deeds can do being utterly disproportionate to the evil of their hearts.
To be blunt, I'll happily give up Bill Gates, Bloomberg, and Warren Buffet if it rids us of the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch, Jeff Bezos, or whoever the fuck the Wall Mart guys are. The harm the latter do is much worse than the good the former do.
Edited by Oruka on Feb 9th 2019 at 1:22:14 AM
Oruka, that's not what kyriarchy means. It just means that there are overlapping structures involved having power and privilege. There's nothing in the definition about whether or not we should exalt it or endorse it. In fact, the woman who coined the term would very definitely have the exact opposite opinion to what you just said, given that Fiorenza was evidently a radical feminist.
I have no idea where you got that shit from unless it's just your opinion about how kyriarchy should be viewed.
‘It's crazy. It's loony': Republicans giddy as Democrats champion Green New Deal
Republicans hope their opponents may drift so far to the left that they will be more vulnerable in 2020.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/09/gop-sees-political-advantage-in-green-new-deal-1160725
As liberal groups pressure presidential candidates and lawmakers to back the ambitious climate proposal, Republicans hope their opponents may drift so far to the left that they will be more vulnerable in 2020. Since the election of President Donald Trump — who dismisses the link between carbon emissions and rising temperatures — Republicans have mostly steered clear of climate change, but in the Green New Deal they see a chance to pivot the argument back towards economics as growing majorities accept the underlying science.
“I would like them to push it as far as they can. I’d like to see it on the floor. I’d like to see them actually have to vote on it,” Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho), a senior Appropriator, told POLITICO. “It’s crazy. It’s loony.”
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump's most vocal champions, echoed that sentiment. “Let’s vote on the Green New Deal!” Graham tweeted Friday. “Americans deserve to see what kind of solutions far-left Democrats are offering to deal with climate change."
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) formally introduced their Green New Deal vision on Thursday, with a nonbinding resolution that is just 14 pages long (compared to the more than 1,400 pages in the cap-and-trade bill that passed in 2009). This leaves myriad details to be worked out before Democrats would have actual legislation ready to bring to the House floor.
Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 9th 2019 at 2:19:36 AM
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I'm not saying that's what I believe about kyriarchies, I'm saying that's what kyriarchies's premises are. What it teaches people to believe to sustain itself. Racism, sexism, heteronormativity, toxic gender roles, imperialism, chauvinism, classism, Social Darwinism, Objectivism, and so on, they all share this fundamental worldview: "I get to hurt and use and hate you because I'm better than you, and you should look up to me and love me in return." The Chain of Harm, glorified and institutionalized. Or, as George Orwell said, "a boot, stomping on a human face, forever".
Thankfully, all those premises are easily-disproven bullshit, and really bad at making people happy.
They're really out of touch, aren't they?
Edited by Oruka on Feb 9th 2019 at 1:36:39 AM
Well yeah being billionaire gives him a huge advantage over just about anyone running against him,not accepting Pac money sounds sounds naive but then one advantage is that she's not beholden to the super pacs that gave her the money,however,when it comes to raising much needed cash she's shooting herself in the foot
Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 9th 2019 at 10:38:57 AM
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverIIRC Beto O'Rourke also earned quite a bit of money from small donations.
Though, he's probably not the best example.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI think the way Republicans think is that the left will mismanage the situation so much, people will swing to their side again.
Which is a possibility, mind, it is perfectly possible to be a leftie and be incompetent.
I hope, going forward, that the name Trump will be associated with "failure" the same way we associate Nixon with "corruption".
Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 9th 2019 at 8:12:42 AM

Screw Northam, I hope for as long as there are records of contemporary Virginian politics he is remembered as a selfish disaster of a man who refused to take responsibility for his past racism.
Edit: Oooh, page topper. Nice
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 9th 2019 at 2:52:40 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang