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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#270401: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:36:29 AM

The oil companies want people to move from nuclear power because they know right now there's no good,clean alternative to nuclear power (renewables can only take you so far)they're hoping abandoning nuclear leaves people depending on fossil fuels once again

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270402: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:37:54 AM

The oil companies want people to move from nuclear power because they know right now there's no good,clean alternative to nuclear power (renewables can only take you so far)they're hoping abandoning nuclear leaves people depending on fossil fuels once again

I don't know how true this is, that rule came from AOC. There is an extensive history of the environmentalist left rejecting Nuclear power for vacuous reasons, I wouldn't be surprised if she added that to appease them.

Nuclear power is about the only possible way to sustain future energy needs without using fossil fuels going forward.

It's not even dangerous.

Exactly my thoughts, I don't know who helped AOC make this but that's really disappointing.

I hope someone somewhere corrects that.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 7th 2019 at 2:38:55 PM

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#270403: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:39:10 AM

I think at this point, Spitting Image should do a remix of their song "I've Never Met a Nice South African" with "I've Never Met a Nice Republican". It would go over very nicely.

Or include "Sympathetic Republican" in the list of Eskimos Aren't Real.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#270404: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:42:05 AM

Aww man the New Green Deal is getting tainted by the environmentalists who fear nuclear powered-GMO made-vaccine delivering-drones? God dammit.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#270405: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:42:59 AM

"If you see something, say something" has also been a gateway to white lady racism and paranoia as well—up to the point 30 Rock did a parody episode about it. Liz Lemon got her East Asian neighbor tortured due to his preparations for the Amazing Race looking like (to an idiot racist) bomb plans....which wasn't really that funny then let alone now.

That's... really weird. Like, is it progressive that they were East Asian terrorists instead of Middle Eastern? Did she think they were a North Korean splinter cell?

Anyhoo, nuclear power isn't dangerous, but nuclear waste is. I sort of understand trepidation about it as we're just kicking the can further up the road which is... not good, at this point? Like, it's what led us to where we are now. I don't want to say it's my (children's children's children's children's children's children's) children's problem, you know? The stuff will outlive us as a civilization, and we don't have a plan for it.

Still for it, mind you. Just... I do wish there was something better.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#270406: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:44:01 AM

We have solutions to nuclear waste and have had them for years.

It's a solved problem already, not kicking the can up the road.

Oh really when?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#270407: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:44:25 AM

Obligatory reminder that it's not established fact that a 100% renewable economy is impossible.

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#270408: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:44:34 AM

The newest nuclear plants will reduce the amount of nuclear waste we have sitting around because they’re able to use it for fuel.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#270409: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:46:22 AM

Yeah, while the risk of a nuclear meltdown is fairly low these days - unless you're running an old and failure-prone plant like Japan or the ones the Belgians and French liked to keep running on our border - the main problem is nuclear waste disposal.

From what I recall, the US still doesn't have a permanent storage facility, with actual attempts to create one having been stonewalled.

John Oliver did a segment on the matter a year ago:

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#270410: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:47:12 AM

> It's a solved problem already, not kicking the can up the road.

Its called storing them away in huge silos and praying they dont leak,it's not solved by any means,it's been contained,solving would mean disposing of the waste so it's not a risk to the environment or people ie. gone for good

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#270411: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:49:59 AM

Which, if Congress actually listens to the experts, said experts will be able to point out as they go forward.

That said, with a solid position put forward for their idea of a green deal, this makes moving forward at least possible now.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270412: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:50:22 AM

Obligatory reminder that it's not established fact that a 100% renewable economy is impossible.

It depends on whether or not you count nuclear as renewable, if you don't then as I understand it things become much more difficult (if not outright impossible).

No matter how you look at it the anti-nuclear requirement is really bad and I hope it dies in the planning stage.

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#270413: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:50:26 AM

Populists...

Not surprised one of AOC’s first major policy proposals would be flawed and geared more towards appeasing Green Party nutters.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270414: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:51:58 AM

Which, if Congress actually listens to the experts, said experts will be able to point out as they go forward.

That said, with a solid position put forward for their idea of a green deal, this makes moving forward at least possible now.

Yes, but considering Congress' history in regards to listening to expertise there is reason for concern.

I don't think we should declare AOC an evil Luddite or give up on the Green New Deal but it's very unfortunate.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#270415: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:54:10 AM

I am a little disappointed at the overt anti-nuclear power clauses. I understand people have reservations with the potential dangers of nuclear power but a lot of it is exaggerated fearmongering similar to the Green Left's anti-GMO stances that made me shake my head at Sanders. Many of those dangers can be largely mitigated by competence and correct planning.

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#270416: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:54:47 AM

Rejecting the Green New Deal would be the worst possible thing to do, especially if you're just gonna dismiss it as Green Party lite.

And anyway, Pelosi came out and said the clapping wasn't sarcastic. Any ironic chants of USA that happened during Trump's speech and all the praise Pelosi is getting for... clapping just reeks of #Resistance bullshit. Even if she was being ironic, she still egged on the dude condemning "socialism" like it's still the 1950s.

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#270417: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:55:31 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] ... it's not. It might be sustainable, it might be better for the environment, but it's not a renewable energy source. That's not arguable.

Again, I'm pro-nuclear. I just don't want to go into it with incorrect preconceptions.

[down] My expectations aren't high for her, but neither is my bar. She's been at the job for a month. I'm not making any judgment on her yet.

Edited by Larkmarn on Feb 7th 2019 at 2:57:18 PM

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#270418: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:56:26 AM

I am not disappointed since my expectations for AOC were already low. Her self identifying as a populist was a big red flag for me.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#270419: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:56:59 AM

Nuclear Energy is incredibly safe. India has run 22 reactors over the past few decades - not one incident where something went wrong. And they're building more to augment their electricity needs.

Not sure why people think it's bad. Other than the "Nuke = Evil" association.

Sure, waste disposal is a problem, but hardly an insurmountable one.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#270420: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:57:14 AM

Part of the issue is that the public just isn't very informed about how nuclear power works or what's going on with the development of said plants these days. Proponents for it would do well to try and educate the public, but I'm not sure where they'd start that kind of thing.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270421: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:58:00 AM

Rejecting the Green New Deal would be the worst possible thing to do, especially if you're just gonna dismiss it as Green Party lite.

Who exactly is arguing for this? We're all just rightfully unhappy that it would do something so counterproductive as to rule out Nuclear Power.

And anyway, Pelosi came out and said the clapping wasn't sarcastic. Any ironic chants of USA that happened during Trump's speech and all the praise Pelosi is getting for... clapping just reeks of #Resistance bullshit. Even if she was being ironic, she still egged on the dude condemning "socialism" like it's still the 1950s.

Of course, after all it's not like someone in politics would say something false surprised

Clapping at the socialist bit was not "egging him on". It's one thing to be personally offended but implicitly blaming her for Trump's actions is super gross and tone deaf.

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#270422: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:59:36 AM

On nuclear waste, it might be pragmatic but having a few thousand years to figure out what to do with this shit beats Climate Change ending us in 100

Edited by 3of4 on Feb 7th 2019 at 9:00:44 PM

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#270423: Feb 7th 2019 at 12:00:56 PM

Well, for starters, Nuclear Plants run exactly like a bog-standard Thermal Plant - you heat up fuel, boil water and rotate turbines.

The only difference is that instead of burning coal and gas, you generate the heat using Nuclear Fission in a heavily shielded Core of a Nuclear Reactor, with a ton of fallbacks and safety features that don't exist for Coal and Gas - which, irony of all ironies, makes the Coal and Gas plants even more unsafe than a Nuclear Plant.

That's a fairly good place to start with the education bit. It's not rocket science.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#270424: Feb 7th 2019 at 12:01:56 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Define "insurmountable."

Because it's a problem with no solution. Is it the biggest problem in the world? No, definitely not. But there's no "fix" for it. Like I said, the waste will remain dangerous for generations upon generations. Even assuming we can Ragnarok Proof something so it never leaks, it's a legitimate concern how we'll warn future generations that "hey, don't open this" when linguistic drift means that they will not be speaking any language we have now.

Honestly, it's an interesting problem. And you know what? I'd rather try to deal with it than keep using fossil fuels.

[down] It absolutely is.

.. And another.

Seriously, it's an interesting problem. These buried waste will, in all likelihood, outlast our civilizations and language.

Edited by Larkmarn on Feb 7th 2019 at 3:05:52 PM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#270425: Feb 7th 2019 at 12:03:15 PM

Oh come on, there are plenty of concerns about nuclear power (most of them involve lack of regulation and corner cutting), but linguistic drift is not one of them.

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