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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Doesn't mean the clock isn't stopped.
That said, in my very humble opinion, the focus on Warren's ethnicity is way overblown. It's a right-wing talking point, since most of her policy is fairly reasonable. Attacking the policies requires some imagination - which the GOP no longer has. It requires effort, which the GOP no longer wants to put in.
So focusing on the "Pocahontas" thing is legitimately all they can do without some actual effort. As such, there's no need to enable that kind of discourse further.
And since we're going on DNA points, I'm probably something like 1% European, because of the migration of Indo-European settlers into the Indian subcontinent about 3000 years ago. Doesn't make me white even with Eugenics theory.
I hold the secrets of the machine.Every time a story pops up about Warren's ancestry we spend a few pages arguing about it then move on, barely mentioning her until the next story about her ancestry comes up again.
I did post an interview about her foreign policy ideas here, mostly centered around trade. It got like three responses.
I certainly don't want to see her or any candidate drowned out issues blown out of proportion or manufactured crisis, but if we keep prioritizing the former and ignoring the latter, then I'd be lying to myself if I felt the media wasn't succeeding.
Cindy McCain called the police on a mixed race family at a airport because she believed they were human traffickers.
"If you see something, say something" has also been a gateway to white lady racism and paranoia as well—up to the point 30 Rock did a parody episode about it. Liz Lemon got her East Asian neighbor tortured due to his preparations for the Amazing Race looking like (to an idiot racist) bomb plans....which wasn't really that funny then let alone now.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 7th 2019 at 10:25:35 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Her apology was also a non-apology to the people she presumably humiliated and threatened.
Note: The Mc Cains have an [corrected] Bangladesh child as well.
(Which doesn't preclude racism—Andrew Jackson kidnapped a Native American boy to raise who kept trying to escape back to his family/tribe)
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 7th 2019 at 10:38:48 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.In other news, Nancy Pelosi, fresh off being turned into a "gangster" by people trying to interpret applause, is downplaying the importance of a Green New Deal.
“It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive,” Pelosi said. “The green dream or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is but they’re for it right?”
Hooo boy. Here’s a thorough Rolling Stone profile on McCain from 2008.
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Privately, Mc Cain brags that he was the “original neocon.” And after 9/11, he took the lead in agitating for war with Iraq, outpacing even Dick Cheney in the dissemination of bogus intelligence about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. “There’s other organizations besides Mr. bin Laden who are bent on the destruction of the United States,” he warned in an appearance on Hardball on September 12th. “It isn’t just Afghanistan. We’re talking about Syria, Iraq, Iran, perhaps North Korea, Libya and others.” A few days later, he told Jay Leno’s audience that “some other countries” — possibly Iraq, Iran and Syria — had aided bin Laden.
A month after 9/11, with the U.S. bombing Kabul and reeling from the anthrax scare, Mc Cain assured David Letterman that “we’ll do fine” in Afghanistan. He then added, unbidden, “The second phase is Iraq. Some of this anthrax may — and I emphasize may — have come from Iraq.”
Later that month on Larry King, Mc Cain raised the specter of Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction before he peddled what became Dick Cheney’s favorite lie: “The Czech government has revealed meetings, contacts between Iraqi intelligence and Mohamed Atta. The evidence is very clear. . . . So we will have to act.” On Nightline, he again flogged the Czech story and cited Iraqi defectors to claim that “there is no doubt as to [Saddam’s] avid pursuit of weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. That, coupled with his relations with terrorist organizations, I think, is a case that the administration will be making as we move step by step down this road.”
That December, just as U.S. forces were bearing down on Osama bin Laden in Tora Bora, Mc Cain joined with five senators in an open letter to the White House. “In the interest of our own national security, Saddam Hussein must be removed from power,” they insisted, claiming that there was “no doubt” that Hussein intended to use weapons of mass destruction “against the United States and its allies.”
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In September 2002, Mc Cain assured Americans that the war would be “fairly easy” with an “overwhelming victory in a very short period of time.” On the eve of the invasion, Hardball host Chris Matthews asked Mc Cain, “Are you one of those who holds up an optimistic view of the postwar scene? Do you believe that the people of Iraq, or at least a large number of them, will treat us as liberators?”
Mc Cain was emphatic: “Absolutely. Absolutely.”
Today, however, Mc Cain insists that he predicted a protracted struggle from the outset. “The American people were led to believe this could be some kind of day at the beach,” he said in August 2006, “which many of us fully understood from the beginning would be a very, very difficult undertaking.” Mc Cain also claims he urged Bush to dump Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. “I’m the only one that said that Rumsfeld had to go,” he said in a January primary debate. Except that he didn’t. Not once. As late as May 2004, in fact, Mc Cain praised Rumsfeld for doing “a fine job.”
Edited by wisewillow on Feb 7th 2019 at 1:55:33 PM
I think at this point, Spitting Image should do a remix of their song "I've Never Met a Nice South African" with "I've Never Met a Nice Republican". It would go over very nicely.
I hold the secrets of the machine.At the end of the day:
Is it a bad thing that Elizabeth Warren did this?
Yeah, I'd say so. I can understand why and sympathize with someone who believes a thing because she was taught it in her formative years. People believe all kinds of stupid bullshit that they learned and internalized as children.
But at the end of the day, a 37-year-old woman is responsible for her own choices. Warren did a bad.
Should she apologize to the Cherokee Nation?
I mean. She did. Twice.
So this is kind of a non-question.
Should she apologize better, though?
I feel like that's a rabbit hole. Like, it's one thing when it's an "I'm sorry you were offended by my righteous comments" apology. But at some point you have to ask yourself if it's going to be turtles all the way down.
But I'm still offended.
Yeah, and you're going to be no matter how good the apology is. An apology doesn't erase the offense. It's an appeal for a second chance to do better. Accepting an apology is like granting a pardon; it's a leap of faith on someone who's owning up to their wrong-doing, not an acquittal of the original crime.
Should this bar her from the Presidency?
I mean, it should be a factor in the primary, sure. But I'll say the same thing for the primary and the general: if this is the worst thing that Elizabeth Warren has ever done, then I'd say she's Praised by Faint Condemnation.
If we can find someone whose policies are just as good as hers and has even fewer scandals, by all means let's push for that person. But all things considered, I'd say she's still a good option.
I'm not trying to downplay the severity of white people appropriating tribal heritage. It's a bad. But it's not exactly sexual harassment of minors, dumping nuclear waste on impoverished minority communities, or trying to build a pipeline that will poison the drinking water for Native American tribes.
Everyone has skeletons in their closet. Except AOC, who is apparently too young to have ever done anything truly terrible to anybody and the attempt to manufacture skeletons to use against her has been non-stop hilarity. But I digress, if this is Warren's ugliest secret, then it's a bad but the fact that it's her worst bad is great.
Should we, and I'm just throwing this out there, but should we stuff her full of straw and then hit her with sticks like a pinata.
No. Only this terrible strawman gets to be full of straw.
Uh-oh.
Now that you've served your purpose, I'm getting my beating stick.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 7th 2019 at 12:05:43 PM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Oh please, if you don't see how the applause was blatantly mocking Trump you aren't even trying.
She represents the entire Democratic Party, many of which are moderates who have to be convinced to support the Green New Deal. If you expect her to just start singing its praises then you have fundamentally unrealistic expectations.
I get that because of your ideological leanings your natural reaction is to view her with hostility or skepticism but please have some perspective.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangY'know, it's funny. The Left tries to paint AOC as being able to effect change because she's young and vibrant and full of fresh ideas. The Right tries to paint her as being a threat to the American way of life because she's young and vibrant and has a smart phone.
Both have been so effective at casting this image of her that I have to remind myself sometimes that she is not literally nineteen years old. And I mean that in a good way.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 7th 2019 at 12:10:49 PM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.On the subject of AOC:
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline – The plan is massively ambitious and faces political blockades. Proponents believe it's what's necessary to start saving the world from the threat of climate change and to reshape the U.S. economy
CNN Poll: Almost everyone wants a public report on Mueller's findings
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/politics/cnn-poll-russia-mueller-report-release/index.html
And nearly half of Americans think Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Russian government to help get Trump elected (48%), while 42% say there was no collusion.
Overall, 87% say investigators should release a public report, 9% that they should not. Support for a public release stands at 80% among Republicans and those who approve of the way the President is handling his job, and at 92% among Democrats and those who disapprove of the way Trump is handling his job. Among independents, 88% say a report should be released
Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 7th 2019 at 12:22:49 PM
I really like it, but there's a rather major issue.
It calls for us to move away from fossil fuels and Nuclear Power.
Now I'm not really a fan of moving away from nuclear power in-general but to want to do it even before we've properly moved away from fossil fuels is just egregious.
I really hope that part is dropped entirely.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang

A broken clock is right twice a day.
"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"