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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269801: Feb 2nd 2019 at 10:47:50 AM

Wait till the other person in the photo comes out and confirms it and see how long his denials last

Unless he somehow thinks it's a different him somehow

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#269802: Feb 2nd 2019 at 10:48:46 AM

....

1) If he’s not sure if he’s in the photos, what the f*** was he getting up to?

2) he still *chose* to put that on his yearbook page!

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#269803: Feb 2nd 2019 at 10:51:10 AM

A strange thing to apologize openly, but privately say you doubt it's even you.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269804: Feb 2nd 2019 at 10:55:34 AM

Covering both bases in case more evidence emerges that somehow makes him look innocent I suspect,denial is a strange and desperate thing

I'm surprised he hasn't tried to claim he was the photographer rather then the subject

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 2nd 2019 at 7:06:29 PM

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#269805: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:06:28 AM

About blackface in subversive melodrama reviews of the '80s: I've got Kodac pictures of it. South Africa, but stuff like that happened — along with horrible costume punk (using talc to try for a grimy look).

So, yeah. That was supposedly progressive humour of the time (because trying to get black guys on stages where no blacks were supposed to be to try taking the Mickey out of PW Botha's government in cringeworthy and dangerous ways... happened). And... it was regretful in so many, many ways. (Including, you know, actual disappearances — but, also with the "jokes".)

Not very progressive humour along these lines happened, as well.

For crying out loud: how much of Eddy Murphy's career has been built on riffing on the blackface-whiteface humour of the late 70s and 80s? And these days, he's a ball of cringe. He was always a ball of cringe, but it's taken time to realise that.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Feb 2nd 2019 at 7:11:13 PM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#269806: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:07:33 AM

I think the point being made is that "I was there" is not proof that it was mainstream when popular culture didn't use it nearly as much as you're implying.

Nobody is doubting it happened, in reference to [up], just not nearly as much as seems to be being suggested.

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 2nd 2019 at 12:11:16 PM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#269807: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:11:48 AM

[up][up] Also, South Africa and the US aren’t the same thing.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#269808: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:13:19 AM

[up][up][up] Okay, but the USA of the 80s was not the same as Apartheid South Africa.

Edit: [nja]

Edited by AzurePaladin on Feb 2nd 2019 at 2:13:32 PM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#269809: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:14:57 AM

I can understand making an argument that there's a difference between something not being mainstream, and it not garnering the same kind of backlash it is now.

That's the point I was trying to make - sure blackface wasn't mainstream, I still have no real trouble believing someone could find that funny then, but cringe now.

But the argument specifically "it was the 80s" is weak here.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#269810: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:15:28 AM

American comedies suffered far less from the censors than British ones did when it came to hiring them for your Betamax.

Heck, we couldn't watch British comedies for years, especially BBC ones (even The Goodies needed to be smuggled). Let alone Doctor Who — it was chopped-up documentaries, basically. But, university frat hijinks, summer camp romps, vacations of "hilarity" and building women in basements? Totally cool and unsnipped.

Don't kid yourselves.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Feb 2nd 2019 at 7:19:17 PM

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#269811: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:19:08 AM

...aaaaand this has what to do with blackface supposedly being more acceptable?

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#269812: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:20:52 AM

I think Euodia is trying to say that they know what 80s America was like based on the shows that the Apartheid SA Government allowed into the country.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#269813: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:21:09 AM

[up]The melodrama review and/or panto is a Southern and Commonwealth thing. And, they were bigger back then. Community theatre (including the regretful kind) was bigger.

Fame — Google it. And the legwarmer phase.

Because digital wasn't, yet, king.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Feb 2nd 2019 at 7:22:45 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269814: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:22:26 AM

Changing the subject

Ocasio-Cortez raised like $100,000 for the primary she's challenging

Let's hope all the funding she receives in not in vein,I'd hate to see her raise all that money only to lose

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#269815: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:27:51 AM

Huh? The article says she raised $100,000 for her 2020 campaign after that dumb article where anonymous Dems said that she might be primaried. Seemed like a tempest in a teapot, which The Hill loves to report on. Smart of her to use it to fundraise.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#269816: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:42:50 AM

Legwarmer phase? What??? Sorry, but you're not really explaining yourself very well.

And in any case, I don't know that I'd base what was considered acceptable in the USA based solely on what movies a highly biased government organization was letting into your country at the time. Which seems to be what you're doing.

Granted, I don't think this would have created a lot of backlash if it had come to light back when it happened; it would have gotten more of a "boys will be boys" kind of reaction from white people, probably, while generating a lot of outrage in the black populace. Because it was the eighties, and "boys will be boys" has only very recently been called out as a shitty excuse for bad behavior.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#269817: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:50:11 AM

The legwarmer phase was kicked off ('cuse pun) by films like Flashdance, Fame (also TV Series), the new fad called "music videos" and the rise of the keep-fit industry. But, it also relied on community facilities (including theatres and sports centres) that... Well...

Began to die in earnest in the mid-80s. Because the rise of private gyms, better cable, the interwebs and the drying up of funding for things like community theatre because Reagan.

There's whole increasingly being lost layer to your culture you guys don't seem too aware about. That's both great and, maybe, a bit sad. Great... Because a lot of the humour in community melodrama is best left dead and buried, even though its footprints can be readily seen in the tropes used in '80s films (if you had to suffer the stuff neat, you can spot it). :/

Edited by Euodiachloris on Feb 2nd 2019 at 7:55:29 PM

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#269818: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:52:01 AM

What are you even talking about at this point?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#269819: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:54:02 AM

The 80s were awesome.

:)

80s Baby!

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:54:13 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269820: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:54:47 AM

maybe they need to start a new one instead of dragging this one off topic!

[up][up]

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 2nd 2019 at 7:55:03 PM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#269821: Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:55:54 AM

I've seen some infuriating apologism for Northam elsewhere but this is the first time I've seen infuriating and bizarre apologism.

So that's a thing.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#269822: Feb 2nd 2019 at 12:00:25 PM

Legwarmers were definitely popular in the 80s but this is the first I’ve heard of “legwarmer phase” as a discreet entity.

I’ll also add that you don’t get anything 80s related if you google that.

They should have sent a poet.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#269823: Feb 2nd 2019 at 12:02:47 PM

Legwarners were definitely a bigger thing than snoods which tried to be as big at the time. <shrugs> Scrunchies eventually won out, though.

Viva scrunchies.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#269824: Feb 2nd 2019 at 12:05:20 PM

I fail to see how this relates to blackface being acceptable in the 80’s.

Oh God! Natural light!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269825: Feb 2nd 2019 at 12:10:43 PM

Anwyay getting back on topic

So I read a comment that suggested that a guy named Joe Crowley could win the primary against her thanks to their political background being extensive and they seem to think he'd make a good primary candidate for the same reasons

comment here

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