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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
One Halloween party I went to had a black party goer go as Superman and kick the crap out (fakely) two people dressed as the Klan.
They'd arranged it ahead of time.
Who gives a fuck?
I mean seriously, why the hell should myself or anyone else care about this?
Party jokes do not in-fact justify blackface and KKK robes.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang![]()
Unfortunately, it's a little hard to send a memo back to yourself from almost 30-years later saying "Humour changes: that funny skit you worked out with a mate in black-face where the Klan guy gets custard pied and slips across the stage looking like an idiot? Bad move." Or whatever that was.
You are literally looking at the '80s with modern goggles. It's both not that long ago and a vastly different time with different standards. If you want an idea: watch Caddy Shack without cringing. Or anything with Chevy Chase in it. I dare you.
Until Klan is proven or other racist stuff comes out, I'm going to assume "'80s medical student stupidity — sleep deprivation is a common sense kicker".
Edited by Euodiachloris on Feb 2nd 2019 at 6:09:12 PM
You are literally looking at the '80s with modern goggles. It's both not that long ago and a vastly different time.
Oh no, absolutely not.
You do not get to say that blackface and KKK robes were mainstream humor in the 80's, that sure as hell isn't true.
Jesse Jackson was running in the Democratic Party Presidential Primary at the same time, to suggest that their actions were normal and thus understandable is gross revisionism.
What?
Neither being a medical student nor sleep deprivation justifies or explain blackface and KKK robes, this is inane not to mention problematic.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 2nd 2019 at 1:10:05 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
I actually lived in the '80s. The humour was different back then. I'm not excusing it.
I'm just saying... it was different. What was acceptable (and considered normal) back then would be considered harassment today (with just cause). But it wasn't back then.
I did funny stuff on stages I look back on now and cringe. Doesn't mean I believe it's funny, now. Heck, I'd like to go back and smack the stage director in that one panto I was in about the paedophile subtext she got me to take part in as a kid, but which sailed over my head at the time, but I can't. No time machine.
The question is whether he knew about the photos existence prior to this,like I imagine anyone confronted with evidence of their racist past would immediately want the information to stay out of the public if they thought could it could damage their careers.It could also be their existence was known about by someone else,it's black mail material practically
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverI'm just saying... it was different. What was acceptable (and considered normal) back then would be considered harassment today (with just cause). But it wasn't back then.
I did funny stuff on stages I look back on now and cringe. Doesn't mean I believe it's funny, now. Heck, I'd like to go back and smack the stage director in that one panto I was in about the paedophile subtext she got me to take part in as a kid, but which sailed over my head at the time, but I can't. No time machine.
Jesse Jackson ran to be President, KKK garb and blackface were not mainstream and it says far more about you then the 80's that you think it was normal.
I see zero reasons to believe that it was normal for the time and every reason to believe that it wasn't.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 2nd 2019 at 1:23:26 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang"Normal for the time" and "more socially acceptable" are not the same thing.
I could totally see something like this receiving less backlash in the 80s than right now. Something doesn't have to be mainstream to nonetheless garner (relatively) less attention that it would have now.
Edited by LSBK on Feb 2nd 2019 at 12:25:12 PM
I could totally see something like this receiving less backlash in the 80s than right now. Something doesn't have to be mainstream to nonetheless garner (relatively) less attention that it would have now.
I don't see any reason to believe that either was especially true, I repeat.
The Democratic Party had a black man run in the primaries who did very well, the idea that it was understandable for Northam to wear blackface or KKK garb at the same time is just inane.
It was awful, it is awful.
I think anyone who thinks it's acceptable or understandable has some rather messed up priorities.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 2nd 2019 at 1:28:29 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangAre you have some discussion with people who are saying it isn't or wasn't awful? Because I know I haven't said that.
If you're not going to engage with what people are saying, what's the point in talking?
Honestly, your Jesse Jackson point sounds very similar to "We have/had a black man as President, so racism isn't a problem anymore." I don't think I have to explain what's wrong with that then, or now.
Edited by LSBK on Feb 2nd 2019 at 12:34:21 PM
If you're not going to engage with what people are saying, what's the point in talking?
Euodiachloris has explicitly said that it was normal at the time and unless 'other racist stuff' comes out they're just going to assume it was medical student stupidity or driven by sleep deprivation.
Their position is clearly that it isn't awful because it was normal back then, a claim I find entirely unfounded and highly problematic.
So no, I'm absolutely replying to what people have said.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang> Euodiachloris
You...really don't seem to understand the point you're making. The KKK and blackface weren't mainstream at the time. We all know the 80s were different, the point is that he was off the walls racist even for the time.
Defending him over this is really not a good look.
Edited by AzurePaladin on Feb 2nd 2019 at 1:40:28 PM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerThey're referring to rape/sexual harassment (Revenge of nerds) as comedy was present in plenty of 80s comedies
screenrant has a pretty good list
Its basically too late for Northham to fix this anyway. Regardless of what the 1980's were really like (and Im old enough to remember it too), the appearance of racism is damaging both him and the party. His best move now is to resign, and hold out the possibility of running again in the future.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.

Va. Gov. Northam is refusing to step down, despite flood of calls for his resignation for ‘racist and offensive’ photo, party says
I am curious about this last part, are we equating "hiding" it with "not disclosing" it? Because I'm not sure I totally agree with that. Assuming this is genuinely in his past and not representative of feelings he still has, I can understand the nature of not going "hey, over 30 years ago I took this really racist picture." But that's under the assumption that really is the worst thing, and not reflective of current views.
Edited by LSBK on Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:58:38 AM