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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I want to take the time to apologize for reigniting an old, contentious debate. It wasn't my intention, I swear.
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Like, I get that maybe she shouldn't have responded to Trump. And that even claiming a minor ancestrality can be misconstructed and/or misinterpreted, so she shouldn't have done it either (even if ti was on a minor form years ago). If this was what she was being criticized for than fine, she should apologize for it. Native Americans already have to deal with enough people claiming native nationality that even someone accidentally being interpreted at doing so is annoying. But that is a very different complaint than the ones that are actually being thrown at Warren, which is kinda bullshit.
So, yeah, it is understandable that they want to make that point, and that the Warren debate is a good avenue for that. But misconstructing her words to make it sound worse than it is is still shitty.
Or to put it differently: Nobody is claiming that what the Cherokee are complaining about is not in general a problem. Nobody says that it isn't a touchy subject. That doesn't mean that they are right to accuse a woman of claiming native American Ancestry after she did the exact opposite, hence making itself an instrument of rightwing propaganda is anything one should either applaud or defend.
I just want to point out that Warren actually does have some overlap with Bernie's supporters, considering they have similar policies on healthcare, taxes, and environmental protection. Personally, I do like both candidates for a number of reasons, but Warren's weak responses to criticisms and trolls definitely doesn't help her case for being the Democratic nominee.
"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"I'll definitely consider supporting her if she runs. I'll have to do more research on where she and Sanders differ before I can say which is better. It would certainly be nice to be able to support a woman for the nomination and thus avoid the nonsense accusations of sexism the Sanders-style left was smeared with last time.
There's a blind spot to a lot of DNC supporters that their favored candidates have adopted Bernie positions.
(or the Bernie positions weren't that different to begin with)
He's that radioactive to some that they ignore he's fairly mainstream now.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Crossposting to the Racism thread.
Friendly reminder that the FBI is not your friend.
For those who don't want to use the link, after a White Supremacist rally in 2016 in which several White Supremacists stabbed counter-protesters, the Sacramento police brought charges - against the counter-protesters. Additionally, thee FBI opened a Domestic Terrorism - Anarchic Extremist investigation into one of the civil rights groups, By Any Means Necesary, and opened surveillance against them. While they never brought the group to court, "evidence" against them included advocacy against Rape and Sexual assault.
Edited by AzurePaladin on Feb 1st 2019 at 8:43:39 AM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
According to Wikipedia, the group is a militant far left antifa group.
Edited by megaeliz on Feb 1st 2019 at 9:04:38 AM
Here's the Wikipedia Article on it.
Several groups led by Antifa (Anti-Fascist Action) Sacramento and BAMN (By Any Means Necessary) organized a counter protest. BAMN issued a statement saying that "collective power through mass militant direct action can shut these Nazis down and deal the fascists and white-supremacists a decisive tactical defeat" Antifa Sacramento stated that fighting fascism was not a political duty, but a moral one, and called for direct action against them.
Anti-fascist protesters started arriving around 9:00 a.m. and just before 11:00 a.m. they confronted a TV crew, shouting "no cameras" at reporter Mike Luery of KCRA and the cameraman. The protesters grabbed Luery's mic and attempted to grab the camera.
Just before the TWP rally was scheduled to begin around noon, about 300 or more anarchists and other counter-protesters confronted the group. Members of the counter-protesters wore masks and used wooden bats, sticks, fireworks, and other weapons. A few people carried knives, though which side brought the knives used in the subsequent stabbings is unknown. About 400 people were involved in the violence. Ten people were hospitalized, all for multiple stabbing and laceration wounds,[ including two in critical life-threatening condition. Only one of the TWP and GSS members was stabbed. The capitol was locked down and streets were closed. Over 100 police officers responded in riot gear and on horseback. They used rubber pellets and pepper-spray balls.
Matthew Heimbach, the chairman of the TWP, said they expected violence, although they planned the rally to be peaceful. TWP sent about 30 people together with Golden State Skinheads.
Yvette Felarca, an organizer for BAMN stated that "mass militant action, with an integrated group of people" was used to shut down white nationalists. Felarca was filmed punching a man at the protests.
Edited by megaeliz on Feb 1st 2019 at 9:36:33 AM
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...Seriously though, the FBI said the KKK were the victims and whitewashed their past atrocities, and you keep trying to bring the discussion to BAMN?
Also, the Wikipedia article seems rather biased. It seems rather clear that the White supremicists were the ones who brought the knives, as it was mostly counter-protestors that were stabbed, and the Guardian article mentions them having knives. The wikipedia article, on the other hand, tries to claim that it "wasn't known" who brought the knives.
It also examines cases of militant rhetoric from the Left side, but ignores the TWP and the Skinheads themselves. Their rhetoric, by definition as white supremacists, is violent in nature. Moreover, it doesn't mention any of the TWP rhetoric in the lead up, instead only trusting a single assertion by a neo-Nazi that they would "totally" have been peaceful.
Pardon me if I'm skeptical that this is a more important part of the story...
Edited by AzurePaladin on Feb 1st 2019 at 9:56:48 AM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerCross posting is frowned upon. Let's keep this discussion in the Racism thread, for those who are interested in pursuing it. The discussion on this incident starts here
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Deploying intermediate range weapons that could threaten europe, Pentagon even confirmed as such 2 years ago
With all the chaos going on right now, this kind of stuff is easy to miss especially since IIRC at the time that it was 100% confirmed and not just an open secret, North Korea was in the lime light.
Edited by Imca on Feb 1st 2019 at 7:16:01 AM
Keeping House Democrats unified
During her first month leading the new Democratic majority, Pelosi (D-Calif.) has doled out a record number of subcommittee gavels to new members, while encouraging others to take leading roles on the political front lines. Meanwhile, she firmed up support among old stalwarts with choice committee assignments while moving quickly to calm jittery freshmen.
I like to think Pelosi just pops into somebody's office, tells them they're on this or that committee, and leaves for the next representative without ever stopping.
This is what happens when you have a Speaker with a spine and a faction whose response to everything isn't "No." Amazing what can be accomplished when reasonable people work together.
I feel like the media confused progressive Democrats for Green nuts.
Hours later, Pelosi’s office sent out a release echoing that view and promoting the social media hashtag “#Wheres Mitch” that the freshmen had publicized.
"It takes the wisdom of the elders and young people's energy."

I think the Cherokee Nation took the opportunity to make a point which wouldn't have gotten any airtime normally.
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