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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#269676: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:17:25 PM

[up]Hey now, Trump only has the best, most expensive attacks money can buy. Spared no expense.

EDIT: Well now, there's a pagetopper.

Edited by danime91 on Feb 1st 2019 at 1:17:41 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#269677: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:19:46 PM

For me her responding to the trolls is a be damned if you do and damned if you don't moment,if she doesn't respond the lies go uncontested so the tolls go "hey look she's not responding,maybe we're right! and if she responds she's feeding them

It's not though, Obama did not respond to his trolls in the same manner and he won thoroughly.

There is no reason to respond to trolls and conspiracy theorists like that, it just gives off an image of weakness by validating their existence.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 1st 2019 at 4:21:13 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#269678: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:25:11 PM

She shouldn’t have done the DNA test. It was a dumb response that only led to a self-inflicted injury. That being said, Native American groups had solid grounds to be angry with her, and I’m glad she finally apologized. I prefer politicians that acknowledge their mistakes.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#269679: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:27:16 PM

[up][up] And yet the trolls managed to build a racist movement out of birtherism which eventually brought us Trump, and they managed to smear the ACA so thoroughly as "Obamacare" that people voted against their own interest.

In addition, what those trolls feel they can get away with has become so much worse since Obama first got elected in.

[up] We already had the discussion. Can we agree to disagree on this?

Also, I am beginning to suspect that the main issue people on the left have with Warren is not this whole made-up controversy, but that she is not Bernie. Often the same people who act as if she has committed a terrible crime by becoming a target of Trump turn around and label every criticism of Bernie as smear campaign.

Don't do this. There is a need to have a united front against Trump. Judge the candidates by their platform and their track record, not on this kind of BS.

Edited by Swanpride on Feb 1st 2019 at 1:31:13 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269680: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:28:34 PM

The birthism only came after he became president

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#269681: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:31:31 PM

[up][up]

Except the first election didn't have anything too believable in the way of anti-Obama stuff - mostly the Birther BS.

By contrast, Clinton's "scandals" were numerous and believable, what with multiple investigations into her. And that's not even getting into the stuff with Bill, who in the Me Too era is a bit... bleh, yet she remained married to him through thick and thin (both admirable and can be seen as enabling him), not to mention her own record with that stuff - see her non-apology for keeping on a staffer accused of sexual misconduct, who later went on to harass other women in other campaigns, slandering the women accusing Bill, etc.

So provided Warren only gives focus to believable scandals, I'm fine with her attempting to refute them as they pop up, so long as they don't consume her focus. Otherwise, it could run afoul of the old "She didn't deny it, so she must want to avoid lying about it - ergo, it must be true!" trap.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#269682: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:32:21 PM

[up][up] Exactly. Hence you can't claim that he did a better job dealing with this kind of BS, because he run in a way less toxic environment.

[up] For one, we aren't discussing Hillary here, two that is the point. They couldn't find anything on Obama and eventually figured out that they didn't have to, they even could make a scandal out of the stuff he eats. That's the environment Warren and every other candidate will have to deal with, and we shouldn't fall for it. We need to keep our eyes on what truly matters.

Edited by Swanpride on Feb 1st 2019 at 1:35:10 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#269683: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:35:02 PM

Can someone give me the TL;DR on this Warren-Cheroke situation?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#269684: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:36:02 PM

[up] Three words: BUT HER E-MAILS!!!!

It's a non scandal the Cherokee fell for and now she apologized for something she didn't do in the first place.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269685: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:36:15 PM

> Also, I am beginning to suspect that the main issue people on the left have with Warren is not this whole made-up controversy, but that she is not Bernie. Often the same people who act as if she has committed a terrible crime by becoming a target of Trump turn around and label every criticism of Bernie as smear campaign.

Well that's the most ridiculous assertion I've read all today,Bernie and Warren aren't anything alike,least I don't view them as having enough in common.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#269686: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:37:10 PM

[up]??? Yes....that's the point….?????

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#269687: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:38:25 PM

And I don't think many people here would consider "Not Being Bernie" a bad thing.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269688: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:38:56 PM

Her not being Bernie is not the reason the left has a problem with her

[up][up]

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 1st 2019 at 9:39:25 AM

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#269689: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:40:46 PM

[up]

There are some distinct similarities, primarily their shared antipathy for the 1% and/or Wall Street fatcats, as well as wanting to adopt more socialistic policies. Namely, her proposed annual "Wealth Tax" of 2% for net assets valued between $50 million and $999,999,999 million, and 3% tax for assets valued over $1 billion.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#269690: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:47:47 PM

[up][up] And if they address her policies in their criticism, I have no problem with it. But if they jump on a made up scandal, I doubt their motives.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#269691: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:50:43 PM

Hail Muffins: The tl;dr is that Warren has said in the past that she has some Cherokee ancestry, based on family stories.

Detractors spin that to "she claims to be Cherokee" and "she only got her jobs because she lied about being a minority." Which, you know, are both lies.

Trump in particular would only call her Pocahontas, and said he'd donate money to a Native charity if she took a DNA test that agreed with her. She did. It did, determining that she likely had an ancestor 8-10 generations ago.

Which detractors spun into "ooooooh, now she's claiming that tiny bit of ancestry makes her a full blown Indian? My god, this horrible woman."

The Cherokee Nation preemptively said that she doesn't qualify, despite her literally never making any claims to.

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#269692: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:51:57 PM

Can someone give me the TL;DR on this Warren-Cheroke situation?

Warren claimed to have a Cherokee ancestor. Got told to prove it etc. by the right. She did prove it.

The Cherokee Nation (I think that's the right name?) have been useful idiots to the right by acting like she claimed to actually be Cherokee etc.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#269693: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:53:31 PM

[up][up] One should also add that the test came with a video in which she made absolutely clear that she doesn't claim any cultural heritage. Just that she has a native American ancestor, just like her mother always told her.

Arkasas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#269694: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:53:43 PM

wrt the Biden thing: Not disputing that that's an exceedingly bad look, but why are we letting someone cite a right-wing site without pointing out its bias?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269695: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:54:19 PM

And then Donald called her Pocahontas,and did so repeatedly

[up][up]

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 1st 2019 at 9:54:34 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#269696: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:56:42 PM

[up][up] [up][up]That’s incredibly condescending, Jesus Christ. Here’s why the whole situation bothered a lot of Native Americans.

Edited by wisewillow on Feb 1st 2019 at 4:56:55 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#269697: Feb 1st 2019 at 1:58:33 PM

Facts don't have bias tongue

But seriously, if it is proven that he held such views, it shouldn't matter where one picks the news from.

On the other, what has been Biden's action when it comes to minority rights? For if he has since then apologized and supported bill that help I feel it is fair to at least consider him.

Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 1st 2019 at 7:04:37 AM

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#269698: Feb 1st 2019 at 2:01:29 PM

[up][up] That is why it offends us when some of our national leaders seek to ascribe inappropriately membership or citizenship to themselves.

Which she absolutely never did, which is kind of the point. I agree that she has no right to citizenship or membership. But she's never claimed it. At all. Closest she came was sending in a recipe to a cookbook claiming it was Cherokee.

Edited by Larkmarn on Feb 1st 2019 at 5:02:48 AM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#269699: Feb 1st 2019 at 2:01:50 PM

This whole Warren thing really does seem to boil down to "Some white people claim they're Native American/have tribal citizenship when they don't, so Warren should apologize for doing that, even though she literally did no such thing."

I get why it's a touchy subject, but it's really strange how the whole "she literally did no such thing" part keeps getting glossed over by some people. Or in this thread, one person.

Edited by LSBK on Feb 1st 2019 at 4:04:45 AM

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#269700: Feb 1st 2019 at 2:01:54 PM

It is worth noting that Warren never made a big deal about said Cherokee ancestrality. All she did was to fill a form once and never spoke of it on the public sphere until Trump blew it out of proportion.

[up][up][up][up]I would take this kind of article a lot more seriously if they weren't countering a point that was never made. Warren haven't claim Cherokee nationality. Of course she is not a Cherokee citizen. She never said she was.

Edited by Heatth on Feb 1st 2019 at 8:02:22 AM


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