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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269551: Jan 31st 2019 at 12:01:09 PM

try this one then

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#269552: Jan 31st 2019 at 12:18:34 PM

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Except the polls remained open until 10 PM, which gels with what was said earlier. The ones turned away, presumably, would have been trying to vote after 10 PM.

Times like those, I'm glad I live in a small town, as I generally get to vote within 3 minutes of getting there.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269553: Jan 31st 2019 at 12:20:03 PM

I was not disputing times,I was pointing how it reminded me that little mess

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#269554: Jan 31st 2019 at 12:21:46 PM

Yeah that was jsut clarification about the one incident, thinking about it I’m nto surprised I missed it at the time, I was at the count in my own constituency that night and it was a long one.

Personally it’s not super common I go vote person, I try to get a postal vote set up for myself whenever I move, as I always plan to be out campaigning come Election Day.

Edited by Silasw on Jan 31st 2019 at 8:23:00 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#269555: Jan 31st 2019 at 12:24:44 PM

I always vote personally but like I said: Just a small stroll for me.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#269556: Jan 31st 2019 at 12:37:09 PM

[up]x3

Ah, your phrasing made it sound like it was a Republican-style "There are too many people voting - quickly enact suppression measures!" type of thing, rather than just running long.

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Same for me - roughly 1.5 miles from my house.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269557: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:03:33 PM

The thing with 2010 election and why it sticks for me is that it was changing point because the Labour Government had started under Tony Blair and continued into Gordon Brown

It was like 13 years,and when I heard about polling stations being closed because of surge of people voting I saw it at the time as attempt by the ruling party to cling to power,even if that's what they were attempting they failed,but still,it was utterly shambolic

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#269558: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:05:42 PM

Except the polls remained open until 10 PM, which gels with what was said earlier. The ones turned away, presumably, would have been trying to vote after 10 PM.

I remember the incident.

The reason wasn't because people were trying to vote after 10pm. It was because people had been standing in long, slow-moving queues for more than two hours and the clock ran out on them before they could get into the polling booths to vote.

It happened in quite a lot of areas across the country.

The reason was blamed on unexpectedly high turnout catching polling stations by surprise.

Most of the incidents happened in Labour seats (a couple were Liberal Democrat seats, including Nick Clegg's when he was party leader) and in the Labour marginals that were affected, flips were seen from Labour to Conservative that year due to 'lower Labour turnout' (higher overall turnout) — all affected constituencies flipped back to Labour in the 2015 election.

It was like 13 years,and when I heard about polling stations being closed because of surge of people voting I saw it at the time as attempt by the ruling party to cling to power,even if that's what they were attempting they failed,but still,it was utterly shambolic

We should discuss this properly on the UK thread, but very briefly:

That really isn't what happened at all. In fact the international monitoring (the UK was monitored for the first time in 2010) was very high on praise as to how UK elections were carried out that year, despite the polling issues that hit some areas.

There was an investigation into what happened. The law on registration for voting in GEs changed in 2006, so the 2010 was the first GE under the new law. It allowed voters to register after the GE had been called right up until two weeks before the election. As a result, 1.3 million more people registered than expected, catching polling stations by surprise with an unexpectedly high turnout. On top of that, there were local elections taking place a week before the GE in certain areas, which further increased turnout. And on top of even that, the UK engaged in US-style televised leader debates for the very first time.

In short, certain heavily populated metropolitan areas and areas with high student numbers found themselves unexpectedly inundated with unusually high political engagement that caught then off-guard and unprepared.

This kind of problem is unusual for the UK, but it sounds like this sort of thing is not only more common in the US but may even be systemic?

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 31st 2019 at 9:28:19 AM

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Servant of the Omnissiah
#269559: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:09:20 PM

So it would seem Evil Turtle doesn't want people to be able to vote easily on election day.

Gee, I wonder why a reactionary prick wouldn't want that.

As for electronic voting, we do have it India, and the reason is the same that HailMuffins pointed out for it's introduction in Brazil - cut down on corruption and booth capturing (a polite euphemism for goons showing up at the voting booth and telling you to vote for X Candidate, or else and then whisking the ballot box away to fudge the votes).

It should come as no surprise that the INC (India's version of the GOP - it nominally puts on a progressive face for the cameras, but is savagely reactionary in almost every other way) has been losing election after election since the Electronic Voting Machines came into widespread use - they can't fudge the ballots anymore, and they don't like it.

However, it does come with something called a VVPAT - Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail. Which allows you to check if your ballot was properly counted and not fudged post drop.

And as it turns out, only the losing party complains about Electronic Voting. Sour Grapes and Moral Myopia galore. Fortunately, the Election Commission back home tells them to get bent every time they complain.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Jan 31st 2019 at 4:16:53 AM

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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#269560: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:17:11 PM

We've been talking about McConnell's disdain for easy voting for the last three pages.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jan 31st 2019 at 1:19:13 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#269561: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:17:39 PM

[up][up]I wonder if any of them are aware of the irony that making voting difficult makes them a far greater threat to the democratic values like free speech that they love to parrot around so much.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 31st 2019 at 6:18:41 AM

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#269562: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:24:17 PM

So apparently Trump refuses to even look at any bill that doesn't contain wall funding. Again. Not that this is at all surprising, but it does show how he's learned absolutely nothing from the last time. And unless even more GOPers switch aisles to vote with Democrats, we're headed for another shutdown in two weeks. More suffering for an ineffective vanity project, joy.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269563: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:25:01 PM

They know alright,at this point they're desperately clinging to whatever power they have,they know there's a storm coming and they're hoping to hold it off for as long as possible

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Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 31st 2019 at 9:25:19 AM

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TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#269564: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:25:17 PM

[up][up][up] That's because they don't care about all of that at all. The object of Power is Power, after all. It's a nice polite facade to to keep gullible people from peering too closely.

The GOP has amply demonstrated over the past few years that it's not interested in Democracy or anything approaching fair and representative government.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Jan 31st 2019 at 4:25:34 AM

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#269565: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:26:21 PM

Someone should just tell him the bill has wall funding.

It's not like he's gonna read it and check.

Oh really when?
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#269566: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:27:02 PM

[up] You know, that's actually not a bad idea at all.

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#269567: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:28:06 PM

And it turns out it's just funding to remodel walls in low-income housing or something. Still technically "wall funding".

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269568: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:28:12 PM

Telling there's wall funding would make him interested in reading the bill though,so trying to sneak it passed like that wouldn't work

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Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 31st 2019 at 9:28:28 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#269569: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:29:34 PM

Add a rider that says, "We'll work to allocate enough wall funding to start construction in 2021."

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Imca (Veteran)
#269570: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:42:42 PM

[up] thats why you do [up][up] and dress it up as legalese, there is no way he is going to be able to work his way through that.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#269571: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:44:05 PM

He won't someone else will do it for him

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#269572: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:47:06 PM

<Reproposes trading the Trump Wall against HR1>

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#269573: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:55:42 PM

Has anyone in Congress proposed that though?

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#269574: Jan 31st 2019 at 2:39:55 PM

[up][up] Thign is Mitch won’t let that happen, and he has total control over what gets a vote on the senate floor.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#269575: Jan 31st 2019 at 2:43:04 PM

There is no reason to give Trump his wall. The shutdown is costing them the 2020 election. Im sorry about the people getting hurt, but once you give in to hostage taking, they keep using it.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.

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