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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#268926: Jan 28th 2019 at 5:42:17 AM

[up]x7 My bet’s on either someone like Jerome Corsi or Assange.

He won’t go after family until the very end.

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 28th 2019 at 8:45:16 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#268927: Jan 28th 2019 at 5:42:23 AM

Nixon is probably one of the most capable Presidents in the past fifty years and probably ranks with Obama in terms of sheer ability. It's just whenever you note all of his many-many good qualities like what he did for Native Americans, his work opening up China, and more—you find out about the genuinely evil shit he did like starting the War on Drugs, taking racism fully into the Republican party [Nixon by all accounts was racist against Jews not blacks but came down on the latter because he felt they hated him], and everything in Vietnam.

Breaking into the Watergate was the least of a horrifying series of ramifications to his Presidency.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 28th 2019 at 5:44:36 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#268928: Jan 28th 2019 at 5:52:21 AM

So basically a giant mixed bag?

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#268929: Jan 28th 2019 at 6:01:23 AM

I dont know about placing him on the same level of capable as Obama,I don't know how you compare them really,two very different presidents over seeing vastly different issues

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#268930: Jan 28th 2019 at 6:04:48 AM

Just for sheer ability to achieve seemingly impossible political and social goals. Nixon and Obama were steamrollers even when opposed.

Nixon actually offered to give universal health care to Americans according to Ted Kennedy (he was at the meeting where it was offered) but wanted the Democrats' more or less unconditional support for his term.

Ted said he's still not sure they should have refused (well up until his death). It was the kind of deal he expected to come from Satan—but actually was from a man who could sincerely deliver it and wanted to do it. He just wanted something for it.

Instead Nixon gave us free kidney treatments instead.

So basically a giant mixed bag?

More like "If only you could have used your powers for good."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 28th 2019 at 6:07:46 AM

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JerekLaz Since: Jun, 2014
#268931: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:15:41 AM

So basically we need Obi Wan weeping and declaring "But you were the Chosen One!"

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#268932: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:21:08 AM

Well, he was elected. I guess that counts as being a Chosen One.

Disgusted, but not surprised
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#268933: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:41:06 AM

So, odds are good that if Trump doesn't get border wall money in three weeks, he's just going to say fuck it, declare a national emergency, and build it anyway.

Is there ANYTHING that can prevent a wall at this point?

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#268934: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:46:37 AM

Reality, mostly.

A wall isn't happening because it's a plain impossibility. Trump('s supporters) don't really know that or care. We're not at risk of having a wall. We're at risk of throwing money at a wall that will never actually be built.

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#268935: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:47:30 AM

Wouldn't that be grounds for a impeachment?

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#268936: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:48:14 AM

[up][up][up]Using that tactic probably won't work. It'll get tied up in the courts, and even the most hardcore conservative judge will think twice about the precedent that would set.

Edited by TheRoguePenguin on Jan 28th 2019 at 7:48:59 AM

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#268937: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:48:32 AM

You mean is there any way of stopping him triggering a national emergency? At this point I don't think there is since he's the president ,though I don't know what happens if he triggers one,it certainly wont grant him the funds for a wall,everyone will likely be alarmed at first at the 'emergency' ,then once it's clear there no actual danger they'll be waiting for it to be over.

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Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 28th 2019 at 4:01:39 PM

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#268938: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:02:34 AM

Trump declaring an Emergency kinda feels like standing on the opposite of a gorge from an angry bear who wants to eat you.

On the slim chance that he succeeds at the jump you are fucked.

In any other scenario the bear jumps down to his death while you point and laugh.

It is tantalising...

But yeah, Court documents will fly low and fast that day and the Pentagon will make a DMV Employee seem like The Flash in its response time to those orders.

Edited by 3of4 on Jan 28th 2019 at 5:04:05 PM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#268939: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:03:59 AM

I know he’s just desperately deflecting right now, but this stood out.

Numerous states introducing Bible Literacy classes, giving students the option of studying the Bible. Starting to make a turn back? Great!

Since I know that he is one: not religious, and two: doesn’t read, I wonder where he’s parroting that from.

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#268940: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:04:57 AM

Pence.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#268941: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:06:18 AM

[up]. Or possibly Fox and Friends.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#268942: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:07:26 AM

Yeah, that one has Pence written all over it.

They should have sent a poet.
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#268943: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:09:18 AM

Even if Trump gets his money and some kind of physical barrier starts being built, it isn’t going to change the realities of immigration and it won’t do anything to improve the problems that Trump’s base blames on migrants. And the wall itself will be ineffective even at the purpose it is notionally for. So it’ll be a whole lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

The wall itself is mostly symbolic. The real issues here are whether Trump will be allowed to blackmail the country into giving him what he wants, and whether the insane right wingers will be empowered or denied.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#268944: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:12:09 AM

It was Fox and Friends:

Trump's tweet came roughly a half-hour after North Dakota state Rep. Aaron Mc Williams (R) appeared on "Fox & Friends." Mc Williams is co-sponsoring a measure in North Dakota to support Bible literacy classes.

Similar measures have been introduced in Missouri, Indiana, West Virginia, Virginia and Florida.

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#268945: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:12:14 AM

With the last shutdown ending in defeat, I feel pretty comfortable assuming that he won't be able to have the wall.

It clearly showed that the public is not going to support the wall and do not want a government shutdown, couple those things with a Democratic Party that is definitely not going to budge (they won once already why would they ever give in?) and Trump has absolutely no chance of ever getting his wall.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#268946: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:14:50 AM

Given how most think the desire for the wall is Trump Compensating for Something, does that mean he's been monumentally cock-blocked?

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#268947: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:16:10 AM

In the future, Trump will be known as the Blue Balls President.

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#268948: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:18:45 AM

Given how most think the desire for the wall is Trump Compensating for Something, does that mean he's been monumentally cock-blocked?

Yes.

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#268949: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:24:37 AM

Trump will resign if and only if 1) the alternative is likely impeachment and the possibility of prison time, and 2) he can find a way to spin it as a win rather than a desperate attempt to avoid consequences.

The man is a narcissist. He runs on exactly two impulses: avoid shame, collect admiration. That's all he cares about because it's all he's psychologically capable of caring about. He'll cut and run the moment the probable shame of impeachment outweighs the definite shame of resignation. At least if he resigns he can try to spin it — "the Fake News media and the Evil Democrats have hampered my amazingly successful presidency so much that I feel it's better for the country if I resign and work to Make America Great Again as a private citizen where I'm not hampered by their political stonewalling!"

Which isn't to say I think that it will definitely happen that way. He might delude himself into thinking he can beat an impeachment right up to the point where he's convicted. Hell, he might be right and there might not be a conviction. But a scenario certainly exists where impeachment seems certain and Trump resigns rather than face it.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#268950: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:33:49 AM

[up] Related to the first, but he'll also resign if he's going to be charged when he leaves office and thinks Pence will pardon him. That is, of course, if he actually believes that he can be charged.

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