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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
A consistent Democrat talking point has been that they can't talk about this with the Goverment shut down. So Trump is opening the goverment so they can talk about it. However, if they continue to not talk about it during those three weeks, he'll shut it right back down without them being able to use that reason anymore. He's trying to bring them to the table. I still predict the Dems are going to lose this one.
Trump is a New Yorker, who knows what the Democrats could get from him if they decided to really negotiate this. Because 5 billion isn't that much in terms of the whole budger, and dems are not known for their fiscal responsibility.
Lol, it's hilarious that right after a thorough and unambiguous defeat of Trump's you're sure that the Democrats are the ones who are going to lose.
Reals before feels bro, Trump has lost and in three weeks he's either going to accept no wall funding or lose all over again.
Also, the idea that Democrats are the ones who aren't known for their fiscal responsibility is hilariously delusional.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 25th 2019 at 4:43:40 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangThe opposition to the wall isn't purely a monetary one.
And Trump might have some idea what dems want, but he'd need Mc Connell to sign off on it to get Senate support and that is stupidly unlikely.
Where have you been the last 31 days?
Even if the Democrats were exactly as fiscally irresponsible as you believe (spoiler: they aren't) anyone who isn't blind and deaf should realize by now that they will never fund The Wall.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang@Raineh: That's assuming that Mitch has the spine to disagree with Trump. If Donald and the Democrats make a deal that Trump and his Herrenvolkers don't find objectionable but Senate Republicans do, it's far from certain that the latter will stand firm.
Remember, a lot of conservative voters don't actually mind things like higher minimum wages or campaign finance reform but they do mind Democrats and people who look different to them. Many more will automatically agree with Trump's opinion no matter how flipfloppy it is, and don't trust Congressional Republicans. And we know that Trump cares more about getting the Best Deal than about what is actually in the deal.
So I could see Pelosi offering wall funding or some other minor concession in exchange to getting Trump's support for a bill full of liberal wishes. And it's quite possible that a lot of Republicans will accept such a deal for the beforementioned reasons. Which might leave Senate Republicans with insufficient political cover to resist.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Jan 25th 2019 at 11:12:49 AM
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
x4
The Democrats have been a lot more "fiscally responsible" than the Republicans since Jimmy Carter. I consider that a significant negative trait given how little damage freaking out about deficits has done compared to damage done by efforts to fix deficits or prevent their being a deficit, but it's still true.
Edited by DeathorCake on Jan 25th 2019 at 10:19:13 AM
Reminder that in the last 30 years, the federal deficit rose under Bush Sr, Clinton gave us a government surplus, deficits spiked enormously under Bush Jr (who cut taxes during a war), Obama had to spend his way out of a recession but reduced the deficit enormously over the course of his presidency, and then Trump caused the deficit to spike again with his tax cuts.
The pattern is pretty clear.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.Richard Ojeda's out of the running for 2020.
Good riddance.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."I found a tweet relevant to this news.
basically, this is a tactic used in torture by giving us a break to see if people will cave. If not, the torture begins again. Rinse and repeat until they get the desired result.

If this Statement by FBI Director Chris Wray is anything to go by, they most certainly will not be forgetting this any time soon.
I know tons of you are feeling the anxiety and the emotional strain of this shutdown.
And 100-percent of you are feeling the financial strain.
Making some people stay home when they don’t want to, and making others show up without pay–it’s mind-boggling, it’s short-sighted, and it’s unfair.
It takes a lot to get me angry, but I’m about as angry as I’ve been in a long, long time.
Sure, I get it. You’re public servants, and I know I can count on you to keep doing everything you can to help others, however you can.
But you’re also people with bills to pay. You’re also moms and dads. You’ve also got rent, payments and mortgages, and utilities and car payments and gas and groceries to buy. And you can’t put those worries aside just because you serve the public....
And we can’t – we won’t – let the American people down.
In the FBI family, we’re no strangers to hard times and tough challenges – in 110 years, we’ve certainly had our share. But anybody who’s part of this family knows that we’re at our best in times of crisis, when we’re up against the worst odds.
We’re at our best when we stand together.
I’m seeing that here at Headquarters, and I’m seeing it in the field. You're not only focused on the work. You’re focused on helping each other, in countless ways.
You’re running food pantries and donation efforts. You’re working flex schedules to take care of your families. You’re sharing job responsibilities with your colleagues. You’re gritting your teeth, getting the job done, and setting the standard for what putting the public first actually means in this environment.
Bottom line: let’s take care of the work, let's take care of the people we do the work for, and let's take care of each other.
And in this unprecedented and difficult time, there’s one thing I’m absolutely sure of: We will get through this, together, just as we’ve always done.
Good. He should be angry.
Edited by megaeliz on Jan 25th 2019 at 4:45:43 AM