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#268651: Jan 25th 2019 at 11:27:43 AM

[up][up]Of course it's a punt, but it shows the fundamental weakness of the White House's position. They can't budge Democrats and the consequences of their reckless action are piling up.

[up] Nobody should be surprised at this point by Trump's incoherence. I refuse to watch him on television because he puffs up his ego with his viewership figures... and because I hate him so much that it stresses me out.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 25th 2019 at 2:29:13 PM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268652: Jan 25th 2019 at 11:28:47 AM

This deal sounds like a punt to me; the wall-or-not question isn't actually settled, it'll just be postponed for three weeks.

Maybe in isolation, but for the last two months Trump has said that if there isn't funding for the wall there won't be funding for anything else.

The fact that he's now allowing funding for two weeks is a major concession on his part and sign of their defeat. They've lost this fight and they know it, mark my words this is the beginning of the end for the Trump shutdown.

Edit: Partially [nja]

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 25th 2019 at 2:29:12 PM

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#268653: Jan 25th 2019 at 11:46:52 AM

I said this earlier today about the Roger Stone news, but I'll say it again: About time!

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#268654: Jan 25th 2019 at 11:47:30 AM

FBI Director Wray is a class act.

It’s really a remarkable video, since he really lays into how the shutdown is affecting Public servants.

“Making some people stay home when they don’t want to, and make others show up without pay- it’s mindboggling, it’s short sighted, and it’s unfair.

It takes a lot to get to get me angry, but I’m about as angry as I’ve been in a long, long, time.”

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 25th 2019 at 2:56:21 PM

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#268655: Jan 25th 2019 at 11:50:07 AM

Not only is it a punt, but you can be certain that if this short-term funding passes, Trump and the republicans are going to try and hold this over the Democrats' heads once March rolls in, with nonsense like "we compromised with the dems to keep the government running, but they won't compromise" coming up once more in full force with the partial funding being used as new ammunition. I'm still all for funding, of course. None of the furloughed employees deserve any of this just because Trump threw a temper tantrum.

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#268656: Jan 25th 2019 at 11:59:14 AM

Eh, I feel if March comes around and Trump rants about the Wall again, a lot of it is gonna be "Oh no, not again"

Especially if the Dems can point to non-Wall Border Security funding provided.

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CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#268658: Jan 25th 2019 at 12:11:57 PM

WHY IS THE FUCKING DOOMSDAY CLOCK ON CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/world/doomsday-clock-2019/ ?!!!! First BBC, now CNN falls for that bullshit?!!

Edited by CookingCat on Jan 25th 2019 at 12:14:32 PM

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#268659: Jan 25th 2019 at 12:19:37 PM

[up] They just announced it for this year. Nothing has changed.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#268660: Jan 25th 2019 at 12:23:53 PM

[up]

I'd figured it had something to do with that Russian missile test last month, as US Defense officials claim that it violates the INF treaty.

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#268661: Jan 25th 2019 at 12:25:15 PM

I just treat the clock as The World Is Always Doomed and move on. As for Trump flipflopping, I figure it's him Gaslighting without even realizing it.

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#268662: Jan 25th 2019 at 12:48:34 PM

Trump agrees to end shutdown for 3 weeks.

Edit: Thanks for the heads-up, corrected now.

Edited by TheWildWestPyro on Jan 25th 2019 at 1:58:11 AM

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#268663: Jan 25th 2019 at 12:49:38 PM

In three weeks? What?

Edit: Grammar and syntax are important. He agreed to reopen the government for three weeks pending negotiations.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 25th 2019 at 3:50:17 PM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#268664: Jan 25th 2019 at 12:50:25 PM

I think you mean for 3 weeks.

[nja]

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 25th 2019 at 1:50:41 PM

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#268665: Jan 25th 2019 at 12:50:47 PM

For 3 weeks, I think [up][up][up]mistyped

Edited by 3of4 on Jan 25th 2019 at 9:51:10 PM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#268666: Jan 25th 2019 at 1:04:06 PM

Not only did Trump alienate moderates with a shutdown, he upset his core 35 percent by caving - and, most significantly for 2020, did it all as Democrats held together on a major issue fight.

Now, Trump will face hours of negative coverage on cable news, including Fox.

BUT - he did manage to get coverage off Stone for at least awhile. [1]

(Although, Rodger Stone is still the number one trending topic on twitter in the country right now.)

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 25th 2019 at 4:06:16 AM

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#268667: Jan 25th 2019 at 1:12:12 PM

So maybe that's why he chose to do this now, to get coverage on his stupidity instead of his crimes.

Not that it matters. The public might or might not be distracted by this, but Mueller won't be.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#268668: Jan 25th 2019 at 1:19:41 PM

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/01/25/day-736/

    Day 736: "Nothing to do with the president." 

1/ Roger Stone was arrested on seven counts of obstruction, lying to Congress and witness tampering as part of Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the election. Between June and July of 2016, Stone told a "senior Trump Campaign official" that he had information that Wiki Leaks would release documents that would hurt the Clinton campaign. On July 22, 2016, Wiki Leaks released its first batch of Democratic emails. After that the "senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact Stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information" that Wiki Leaks had about the Clinton campaign. Then, in October of 2016, a "high-ranking Trump Campaign official" asked Stone about "future releases by" Wiki Leaks. Stone replied that Wiki Leaks would release "a load every week going forward." In total, Stone interacted with at least four people close to the Trump campaign about Wiki Leaks. The indictment also accused Stone of attempting to intimidate Randy Credico, who was in contact with Julian Assange in 2016. Separately, FBI agents were seen carrying hard drives and other evidence from Stone's apartment in New York City. Stone's attorney called the charges "ridiculous" and that he "will plead not guilty to these charges." (Washington Post / New York Times / CNBC / The Guardian / Politico / CNN / NBC News / Washington Post / Department of Justice)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/roger-stone-arrested/index.html

Everyone who's been charged in investigations related to the 2016 election and how they're connected to Trump. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/21/us/mueller-trump-charges.html

4 takeaways from the Stone indictment, including repeated references to the Trump campaign's contacts about Wiki Leaks and a possible reference to Trump. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/25/takeaways-roger-stone-indictment/

2/ Steve Bannon is the unidentified "high-ranking Trump campaign official" in Mueller's indictment of Stone, and that Bannon has spoken with Mueller's team and the Senate Intelligence Committee about the exchange. The indictment said the campaign official (Bannon) reached out to Stone in October 2016 – a month before Trump was elected – "about the status of future releases by Organization 1," which refers to Wiki Leaks and Julian Assange. (CNBC / Bloomberg)

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/steve-bannon-is-high-ranking-trump-official-mentioned-in-roger-stone-indictment.html

3/ Sarah Huckabee Sanders claimed Stone's arrest "has nothing to do with the president and certainly nothing to do with the White House." Trump, meanwhile, tweeted: "Greatest Witch Hunt in the History of our Country! NO COLLUSION!" (The Hill)

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/426933-sarah-sanders-on-stone-arrest-nothing-to-do-with-the-president

4/ Mueller's office suggested that Paul Manafort should not get credit for his cooperation when he's sentenced next month. Mueller's prosecutors said Manafort told "multiple discernible lies" that were not "mere memory lapses." At the hearing, Judge Amy Berman Jackson ordered lawyers to appear Feb. 4 for a closed hearing on whether Manafort breached his plea deal by lying to investigators. (NBC News / Reuters / ABC News / Washington Post)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/judge-to-hold-sealed-hearing-on-whether-manafort-breached-plea-deal-idUSKCN1PJ13C

5/ Trump and congressional leaders have reportedly reached a tentative three-week deal to temporarily reopen the government – without wall funding – while negotiations over border security funding continue. Trump is expected to make an announcement from the Rose Garden at 1:30 p.m. ET about a deal to fund the government through Feb. 15 as the shutdown enters its 35th and about 800,000 government workers missed a second paycheck. [This story is developing…] (Wall Street Journal / Washington Post / Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/25/trump-shutdown-announcement-1125529

The shutdown is being blamed for flight delays at airports in New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Orlando and Atlanta, due to staffing shortages at air traffic control centers. (CNN / NPR / CNBC / NBC New York)

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/25/688660390/flights-delayed-at-laguardia-newark-airports-as-workers-call-in-sick-amid-shutdo

At least 14,000 unpaid IRS workers did not show up for work this week despite the Trump administration ordering more than 30,000 employees back to work unpaid to prepare for tax season. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/25/least-unpaid-irs-workers-did-not-show-up-work-broad-shutdown-disruption-hits-tax-agency-according-house-aides/

poll/ 55% of Americans disapprove of Trump's job performance, while 39% approve. (Five Thirty Eight)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

poll/ 53% of Americans blame Trump and Republicans for the government shutdown. More than 1 in 5 Americans say they have been inconvenienced by the shutdown. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-majority-of-americans-hold-trump-and-republicans-responsible-for-shutdown/2019/01/25/e7a2e7b8-20b0-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html

poll/ 45% of Florida voters say Trump should be re-elected in 2020 with 46% saying he should be replaced. (Mason-Dixon Polling and Strategy)

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000168-7cef-de11-af7d-feff7b080001

Notables. A Trump appointee approved Jared Kushner's top secret security clearance application after it was initially rejected by two career White House security specialists. Kushner's background check included concerns about potential foreign influence over him. The supervisor, Carl Kline, also overruled the recommendations of career security specialists and approved top secret security clearances for at least 30 incoming Trump officials, despite unfavorable information. (NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/officials-rejected-jared-kushner-top-secret-security-clearance-were-overruled-n962221

The United Nations humans rights office will investigate the killing of Jamal Khashoggi at the Saudi Arabian consulate in Turkey. Agnès Callamard will "review and evaluate, from a human rights perspective, the circumstances surrounding the killing of Khashoggi" and will "will assess the steps taken by governments to address and respond to the killing, and the nature and extent of states’ and individuals’ responsibilities for the killing." (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/world/middleeast/un-jamal-khashoggi-saudi-arabia.html

EPA civil penalties for polluters under the Trump administration have fallen to the lowest average level since 1994. Civil fines have averaged more than $500 million a year, when adjusted for inflation, over the past two decades. Last year's total was 85% below that amount – or about $72 million. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/civil-penalties-for-polluters-dropped-dramatically-in-trumps-first-two-years-analysis-shows/2019/01/24/7384d168-1a82-11e9-88fe-f9f77a3bcb6c_story.html

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#268669: Jan 25th 2019 at 1:23:45 PM

I hate to be that guy, but once the government is open again the public will all forget about the shutdown and both polls & economy recover. See the 2013-2014 shutdown and election as good examples. So I don't think that there will be any medium term political effect, although the effect on government recruitment is likely to be severe.

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#268670: Jan 25th 2019 at 1:24:42 PM

The affected workers will certainly remember the month when they couldn't feed their families or pay their rent. The contractors even more so, since they aren't eligible for back pay.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#268671: Jan 25th 2019 at 1:25:11 PM

True, Viewers Are Goldfish, but at the same time it's not like the shutdown could be allowed to go on any longer than could be helped.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#268672: Jan 25th 2019 at 1:25:18 PM

[up][up][up] They also weren't nearly this long.

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 25th 2019 at 4:27:58 AM

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#268673: Jan 25th 2019 at 1:25:54 PM

The biggest consequence I think we can expect to come from this is that Trump learns what the rest of Washington already knew, and what Schumer and Pelosi tried to explain to him before all this began: you don't want to be the guy at fault for a shutdown.

We've been here a few times before where he was like, "Yeah, maybe we'll have to shut down the government if I don't get my wall! Then we'll see what happens!" And now he's seen what happens.

He won't stop fighting for the wall, but I expect this to be the last time a shutdown is on the table over it. This is another entry in Trump's ever-growing folder of basic-ass shit that any politician is supposed to already know before becoming POTUS.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 25th 2019 at 2:27:59 AM

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#268674: Jan 25th 2019 at 1:36:00 PM

A consistent Democrat talking point has been that they can't talk about this with the Goverment shut down. So Trump is opening the goverment so they can talk about it. However, if they continue to not talk about it during those three weeks, he'll shut it right back down without them being able to use that reason anymore. He's trying to bring them to the table. I still predict the Dems are going to lose this one.

Trump is a New Yorker, who knows what the Democrats could get from him if they decided to really negotiate this. Because 5 billion isn't that much in terms of the whole budger, and dems are not known for their fiscal responsibility.

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#268675: Jan 25th 2019 at 1:38:03 PM

[up] [up] I’m not so sure. I’ve seen some journalists, particularly Sarah Kendzior, argue that the shutdown is a deliberate way to forcibly shrink the government without normal process or legislative approval. A month with no pay is going to screw over a lot of people long-term, and those people are likely to try to get out of government service. Not to mention all the people affected who aren’t even going to get backpay.

That’s years of experience that we are going to lose, and you can bet that Trump officials won’t be quick about filling those vacancies.

Edited by wisewillow on Jan 25th 2019 at 4:39:07 AM


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