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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#268601: Jan 25th 2019 at 7:28:18 AM

[up][up] That’s generous of you. Given how awful Julian Assange is and how much Wikileaks has helped the growth of authoritarianism, I feel complete disdain for their supposed good intentions.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#268602: Jan 25th 2019 at 7:32:18 AM

I believe in the free exchange of information and its usefulness as an enemy of authoritarianism.

Unfortunately, authoritarian governments resisted heavily and subverted any lofty goals the organization may have once had.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 25th 2019 at 7:32:36 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#268603: Jan 25th 2019 at 7:39:53 AM

Free exchange of information is different from selective hacking and release which hurts the lesser of two evils in any given situation. Remember when they published data that outed gay men in Saudi Arabia?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#268604: Jan 25th 2019 at 7:42:24 AM

> I believe in the free exchange of information and its usefulness as an enemy of authoritarianism.

Except all the infomation posted by Wikileaks has undermined democracy,their goals were never anything other then causing chaos,which is why the Russian Government found them so useful,Julian has been their useful idiot for a long time

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#268605: Jan 25th 2019 at 7:45:49 AM

You can't have free dissemination of information when a misogynist white nationalist withholds and selectively releases as he will to do maximum damage.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#268606: Jan 25th 2019 at 7:47:49 AM

And Wikileaks has published how many documents with the aim of combatting authoritarianism in Russia, despite having access to a large cache of said documents?

If it wasn’t such a blatantly one-sided hit job it would be a little more palatable.

They should have sent a poet.
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#268607: Jan 25th 2019 at 7:52:56 AM

Yeah, whatever their stated 'Goal', they have always been nothing more than hatchet-people for the destabilization of western governments.

And there's a difference between 'Well meaning and ultimately Fallen Heroes' and 'Lied in your face the whole time.'

Wikileaks is honestly closer to the latter.

Edited by 3of4 on Jan 25th 2019 at 4:53:39 PM

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#268608: Jan 25th 2019 at 7:57:28 AM

Yeah.

A Wikileaks-type organization that sanitized its data to protect the innocent while attacking authoritarians of all stripes would be far more worthy.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#268609: Jan 25th 2019 at 7:59:33 AM

A lofty goal that,attacking authoritarians with free infomation,thankfully we have the rest of the net to do that,we don't need sites like wikileaks specifically

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#268610: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:03:04 AM

It would be nice if Assange had actually done anything that could be construed as "attacking authoritarians with free information", rather than "aiding and abetting authoritarians with selective releases of manipulated information".

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 25th 2019 at 11:03:41 AM

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#268611: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:29:36 AM

FAA delays flights at New York’s LaGuardia airport, citing staffing shortages amid government shutdown

Now this seems pretty bad.

If Atlanta follows suit and people can't make it to the Super Bowl next week...?

WHEW. Shit's gonna get bad.

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Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#268612: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:31:57 AM

And even then, would it be enough to push the shutdown to end?

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#268613: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:32:24 AM

It's become a literal Bread and Circus issue.

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#268614: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:36:47 AM

Bread and circus?

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#268615: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:42:15 AM

Oldest forms of entertainment and food,think back to the Romens

And yeah if takes losing the super bowl to get people really riled so be it,beware the wroth of sports fans

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#268616: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:44:35 AM

Bread and Circuses.

Honestly not sure how it can be construed as a metaphorical bread and circus, let alone a literal one, though.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#268617: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:44:52 AM

[up]. Presumably because if the government is not functioning, they are unable to ensure access to either of those.

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 25th 2019 at 11:46:23 AM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#268618: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:45:33 AM

Assuming that sports fans won't also turn to the "It's the other party's fault!" all-purpose partisanship.

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TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#268619: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:46:49 AM

[up] Also a valid concern. The problem with this kind of situation is it might end up backfiring on everyone, not just the guilty.

For example, the Nika Riots of Constantinople. Admittedly, that had a host of other problems, but the point stands.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Jan 25th 2019 at 11:47:22 AM

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#268620: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:51:38 AM

With Bread and Circuses, the term goes back to a saying that Romans were mostly concerned about food and entertainment, not any real principles of ruling. As long as they got bread and circuses, they were happy.

With people missing the superbowl due to the shutdown, that would be a failure of the government to protect what people really want, so it would make the state look bad.

Leviticus 19:34
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#268621: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:51:41 AM

I'm glad Roger Stone is arrested, but I wish Mueller could get Trump already. I know investigations take time, but it is pretty obvious he did get Russian "help". Meanwhile he is doing tons of damage to the country.

My only hope is that one day, Trump gets treated exactly like he treated everyone else.

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#268622: Jan 25th 2019 at 8:59:03 AM

I remain unconvinced that there was ever a time that WikiLeaks was not a Russian espionage tool designed to cripple the United States and erode faith in our democratic institutions by publishing state secrets.

That we only learned that in 2016 does not mean it was untrue before 2016.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 25th 2019 at 9:59:19 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#268623: Jan 25th 2019 at 9:01:37 AM

But then again why should the state have secrets in the first place?Keeping things from the public erode's people trust in them,and if anything the Government needs to show it's willingness to be open in order to combat the spread of false information

Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 25th 2019 at 5:02:09 PM

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#268624: Jan 25th 2019 at 9:05:15 AM

I remember reading somewhere that Wikileaks at some point made the mistake of announcing they had something on Russia, which prompted the Kremlin to make them its bitch.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#268625: Jan 25th 2019 at 9:05:42 AM

You know...if Trump really wanted Hillary locked up...he should've just hired her for his campaign

cool

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