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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#268076: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:57:58 AM

See, my concern is that I don't think she does. She's spent so much of her political career demonizing them.

Saying a profession or industry is exploiting consumers and making too much money isn’t demonizing them??? It’s... uh.... pretty factual.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#268077: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:00:32 AM

See, IMHO, I think she goes beyond that. I have admitted to being biased in this regard. But she's too focused on Wall Street and bankers. That's not enough for a President.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#268078: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:00:53 AM

If Harris wins Iowa (I find it unlikely but stranger things can happen) it’s pretty much a wrap as she’s going to Steamroll everyone else. Hell even if she only wins SC, Having California be so early is a huge almost insurmountable lead just based off how Dems allegation of delegates.

I think her floor is number 2.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268079: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:01:07 AM

Saying a profession or industry is exploiting consumers and making too much money isn’t demonizing them??? It’s... uh.... pretty factual.

Yeah, it's like how saying that White Supremacy is real and bad isn't demonizing white people it's just accurately describing a systemic problem.

Good bankers (like Good White People) who aren't the problem have nothing to fear.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
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#268080: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:08:06 AM

What about Republican candidates? Is anyone competing against the Incumbent Orange or do we just not know anything on the matter?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#268081: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:10:08 AM

In addition to her animosity towards an entire industry, I recall that she also agreed with the "DNC rigged the primaries" narrative before eventually walking it back. That only further convinced me that she's not my ideal President.

Seriously, wtf was she thinking going along with that bullshit?

Edited by M84 on Jan 22nd 2019 at 12:10:50 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268082: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:11:07 AM

What about Republican candidates? Is anyone competing against the Incumbent Orange or do we just not know anything on the matter?

No one has announced, and odds are he'll win practically unopposed.

I can fully believe that Trump will be a one term President, but the idea that he'll be stopped at the primary is frankly unbelievable.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#268083: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:11:37 AM

If Harris wins Iowa (I find it unlikely but stranger things can happen)

I can think of a number of reasons why it would be unlikely, but I'm curious as to your reasoning.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268084: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:14:27 AM

In addition to her animosity towards an entire industry, I recall that she also agreed with the "DNC rigged the primaries" narrative before eventually walking it back. That only further convinced me that she's not my ideal President.

Seriously, wtf was she thinking going along with that bullshit?

Ooooh, I had forgotten that.

That... is not a good look.

Relatedly I just remembered that it's on record that she's supported tariffs, which is frankly a deal breaker. I simply cannot tolerate that kind of protectionism idiocy, we are not a developing country that needs to protect nascent industries, tariffs benefit specific sectors of the economy at the expense of the greater whole. I see no reason to believe that the benefits in any way outweight the costs.

I really hope she moves away from that position.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 21st 2019 at 11:14:56 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#268085: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:16:01 AM

Somehow I don't see her moving away from that protectionist idiocy.

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RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268086: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:17:49 AM

So in my shallow understanding of American politics, which Democratic candidate should I teamstack towards? Not that it matters much because my Canadian Citizenship renders my opinion jack shit. However, even I know that the Democrats will need to unite around one candidate if they want the biggest chance of defeating Humpty Trumpty.

Edited by RainingMetal on Jan 21st 2019 at 11:18:25 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#268087: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:19:39 AM

[up]None of them. Wait until they confirm their runs and what their platforms will be. Except Gabbard. Gabbard is terrible.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#268088: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:26:03 AM

I agree with M84. Though to be honest I'm biased towards Kamala Harris, being the home state favored daughter.

And I will donate to Gillibrand on account of a promise I made to myself concerning her candidacy.

Edited by Parable on Jan 21st 2019 at 8:27:21 AM

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#268089: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:28:58 AM

Honestly, in a vacuum, most our contenders really aren’t that bad (my personal hatred for Sanders Ojeda aside.)

Gabbard however can fuck right off.

She’s trash to the nth degree.

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Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#268090: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:30:59 AM

I like what I've seen from most of them (aside from the aforementioned Gabbard), though some of the other circles I orbit have preemptively written off one candidate or another as a nonstarter for various reasons (particularly Harris and her record as state AG). I'm content to wait for more concrete platforms and policy goals before I commit to a particular candidate.

Edited by Blueeyedrat on Jan 21st 2019 at 8:31:20 AM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#268091: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:32:38 AM

Honestly, of all the big name potential candidates the only one I have serious reservations for besides Sanders is Amy Klobuchar. And that has everything to do with my irrational fear of Minnesotans than anything else.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#268092: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:33:06 AM

Castro....the guy's kind of an empty suit and it's just "Um, why are you even here?"

RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268093: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:38:19 AM

Fair enough. Better to wait for the results to come in to thin the list of candidates and pick the winning one. But I do have a blacklist, such as this Gabbard lady who seems to be a softie towards the real life version of Modern Warfare's Starter Villain and has a number of other naughty things in her backlog. Warren and Harris seem to be safe candidates though.

Edited by RainingMetal on Jan 21st 2019 at 11:38:48 AM

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#268094: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:44:46 AM

Technically, all what Warren did was to say that she's OK with putting tariffs "on the table" in trade discussions. Not explicitly supporting a particular version of them. And if memory serves, then-DNC chair Debbie Wasserman-Schulz did engage in questionable actions during the primary, which is part of the reason why she is no longer DNC chair in fact.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268095: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:47:09 AM

Technically, all what Warren did was to say that she's OK with putting tariffs "on the table" in trade discussions. Not explicitly supporting a particular version of them. And if memory serves, then-DNC chair Debbie Wasserman-Schulz did engage in questionable actions during the primary, which is part of the reason why she is no longer DNC chair in fact.

That's not a bad point, for fairness sake if nothing else it's important to point out the particularities of her position.

Still, putting tariffs "on the table" when it comes to economic policy is like putting a border wall "on the table" when discussing border security.

It's a very bad no-good policy that does not say good things about a politician's connection to reality.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#268096: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:49:25 AM

Considering how badly Trump's tariffs have hurt in the midwest, that may actually be a detriment, simply because of the optics and the implicit association with Trump's befuddled economic policies.

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TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#268097: Jan 21st 2019 at 9:05:41 AM

> Warren isn't popular with Rich people

I like her more already. Anyone that makes the rich squirm - especially after those stunts they've pulled with the voodoo economics that is neoclassical ideology - is A-OK with me.

Sorry, not sorry. I hope she wins and screws over Wall Street and the Wealthy over hard.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#268098: Jan 21st 2019 at 9:18:46 AM

The funny thing about that is Trump is doing more to harm the economy right now than Warren could do in the worst nightmares of Wall Street executives. Yet they'll vote for him over her because she's saying mean things about them. Truly, the egos are fragile at the top.

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#268099: Jan 21st 2019 at 9:20:23 AM

@M84: Bankers have too much power over voters in influencing politics, which is what Warren has always opposed. Having a family member in the profession doesn't stop it from being wrong.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#268100: Jan 21st 2019 at 9:26:43 AM

That the financial industry needs some regulation is true. I just don't think Warren is the one who should be in charge of it. Someone who has made a career of treating Wall Street as her personal white whale, someone who has proven she is not above pandering to populist bullshit narratives like "DNC rigged primaries", someone who attempted to claim Cherokee descent on grounds so spurious that even the Cherokee Nation called her out on it...

She's not my first choice.

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