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#267801: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:03:49 AM

[up][up]Isn't the "wall" just going to be a line of iron bars?

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#267802: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:04:07 AM

So, basically the deal they thought they worked out last year before Trump stabbed them in the back.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#267803: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:05:32 AM

Also, "extend"? I think I'll demand a full on amnesty/legalization in return for wall funding, even if the wall funding isn't really sufficient.

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#267804: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:08:20 AM

[up][up]Which becomes a "fool me once" moment. I doubt the Democrats will bite, but then again I also hope that they find away to bypass Trump and his obsession with keeping out Mexicans and open the goverment without his input. Such a result would be a win for Democrats, and by extension, basic human decency.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Jan 19th 2019 at 9:08:55 AM

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#267805: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:09:50 AM

> [up]Isn't the "wall" just going to be a line of iron bars?

I thought it was going to be this tall imposing border with barbed wire and guard towers,least thats the image I had in mind.From the sounds of thats all it's going to amount to

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#267806: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:12:50 AM

[up][up]They cannot open the Government unless they either get enough Congress Republicans (including shoving Mitch Mc Connel in a closet) to override Trump. A budget is a law, meaning it needs the Signature of POTUS.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#267807: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:16:19 AM

Personally I'd consider trading border wall funding against HR 1 and reopening the government. And in form of an omnibus not individual bills so that when it comes to the Senate Republicans can't cherry pick out the parts they don't like. Perhaps I'd add electoral reform in as well.

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#267808: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:19:25 AM

If Trump agrees to pass DACA and actual immigration reform in exchange for a few billion in funding for a border wall, then that might be a deal worth taking. Yes, a wall is still useless and terrible, but if we can get something that we've needed for decades in exchange? That could be a fair trade.

Of course, that's contingent on 1) it being actual, significant, permanent change in immigration policy. Just extending DACA by itself, or any other minor and/or temporary change, wouldn't be good enough. And 2) it would have to be baked into the same legislation, so that it's the same law both providing wall funding and making immigration policy changes. Otherwise I fully expect Trump and/or the Senate GOP to agree to the deal but then refuse to actually pass the appropriate legislation.

I very much doubt that Trump is willing to offer that sort of thing — it's akin to admitting defeat, which he'll never do willingly.

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#267809: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:27:00 AM

See I thought that Trump's offer was an extension. That is it does not meet 1)

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Jan 19th 2019 at 6:29:38 PM

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#267810: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:32:59 AM

The problem with accepting even a generous deal for the Wall is that paying for the Wall is a potent symbol in its own right and thus would almost certainly count as a rather large victory for Trump, which I will point out is not irrelevant.

Trump, as we all know, wants to do very bad things so a victory for him is against all of our interests.

Still, there is zero chance that he'll actually offer any generous terms, so the point is moot.

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#267811: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:33:35 AM

I don't see how it's any less racist to say "white people food is bland" compared to "black people food is fried chicken."

Wow. "Reverse racism!" in response to Po C making fun of white people. This is the definition of white tears.

I'll just let Michael Harriot explain this:

For most of their existence, black people in this country had to suppress their feelings about white people, so white people were largely unaware of the sentiment of a lot of blacks. Even though what I write might seem resentful and accusatory, I can assure you that I do not hate white people.

I think we can agree that America has a race problem and the only way to address it is to begin from an honest, objective starting point. I am aware that white people are so accustomed to living in a world that offers them so little resistance, that honesty sometimes feels like hate.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#267812: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:36:17 AM

[up]I think it's incredibly stupid to make fun of a group of people and then act as of them taking offense is unreasonable or unexpected.

Also, "white tears"? Wow, you really are trying to as rude as possible, aren't you?

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 19th 2019 at 12:36:36 PM

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#267813: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:43:33 AM

"I'm just being honest" has never been a valid excuse to be a dick, plus it's usually a lie. Exhibit A: the President.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#267814: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:45:42 AM

[up][up]As a white person I don't object. We joke about black people for ages and then told a small joke about us not liking spicy food, (not true in my case but if it was I'd still be cool with it) is a big deal? It isn't.

Edited by Wildcard on Jan 19th 2019 at 12:46:02 PM

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#267815: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:47:05 AM

I was confused where the "don't like spicy" thing came from, then somehow it turned into a strange definition of blandness.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#267816: Jan 19th 2019 at 9:50:32 AM

As a white person I don't object. We joke about black people for ages and then told a small joke about us not liking spicy food, (not true in my case but if it was I'd still be cool with it) is a big deal? It isn't.

As a white person I do object, I can sure as hell oppose racist jokes against black people while also viewing mockery about white people as offensive.

Furthermore, how big a deal it is or isn't has not been said by myself or anyone else. I merely took issue with the asinine position that white people taking issue with it is somehow unreasonable, if one decides to mock a group of people then they don't get to complain when that group of people gets angry.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 19th 2019 at 12:53:03 PM

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#267817: Jan 19th 2019 at 10:02:44 AM

This is from three pages ago and the person most likely isn't posting anymore but all the same:

I'm sure it's fun to be all like "Ha ha, keep the shutdown going to screw over the Cheeto man." but at the same time, both sides have gotten very childish as of late. Not very new, I realize, but it's frustrating all the same.

There is no "both sides" here. Donald wants funding for a project solely to satisfy his own ego, a project that is not only incredibly xenophobic, but completely idiotic and impractical in serving its xenophobic purpose. Wanting to oppose that project is the only right thing to do. I don't think anyone seriously wants the shutdown to continue any longer, but Donald doesn't understand the meaning of the word "no" because he's a spoiled brat and the Democrats have no reason to accept his demands, both from a moral and practical standpoint.

Also, I'm not a mod but seriously guys this food tangent has been going on for way too long already. Move it to the race or food threads if you want to continue it.

Ishntknew Since: Apr, 2009
#267818: Jan 19th 2019 at 10:04:27 AM

I think generally when someone says "I'm not comfortable with the jokes you're making about me, please stop", mocking them for being uncomfortable, giving yourself a justification for why the joke's okay, and continuing to tell the joke is... well. A pattern I've seen before.

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#267819: Jan 19th 2019 at 10:07:33 AM

Because poking fun at white people for not liking spice is punching up as gently as possible, while making fun of other ethnic groups for their eating habits is punching down.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#267820: Jan 19th 2019 at 10:10:43 AM

Because poking fun at white people for not liking spice is punching up as gently as possible, while making fun of other ethnic groups for their eating habits is punching down.

It's nice that you can go after an easy strawman instead of addressing people's actual arguments.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#267821: Jan 19th 2019 at 10:13:22 AM

[up][up]So, the working class white families who lost family businesses because of the rise of industrial blandness and industrialised shopping habits in combination with wartime rationing are getting punched up at because white can only mean privileged.

Good to know.

Whole cottage industries and farming communities have died to blandness and cultures changed for the more unhealthy as regional differences were steadily undermined in the race for efficiency. But, hey... punch away.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Jan 19th 2019 at 6:17:43 PM

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#267822: Jan 19th 2019 at 10:14:12 AM

Coming in to the conversation, can we all please take a second? Because we're flying awfully close to the point where the mod comes in and starts thumping things.

Let's just take a minute, and maybe move this to the Race Relations thread.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Jan 19th 2019 at 1:17:22 PM

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#267823: Jan 19th 2019 at 10:16:45 AM

Not to mention that this is like the fourth time people have been asked to move this to a food thread or something. Seriously, people.

It's been fun.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#267824: Jan 19th 2019 at 10:18:53 AM

The rise of megafarms, catering megacorps, fast food and ready meals isn't just a food thing, though.

It's politics. And, health.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Jan 19th 2019 at 6:22:29 PM

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#267825: Jan 19th 2019 at 10:19:35 AM

What strawman? I'm just stating a basic rule of comedy: taking shots at an entity more powerful than the joke teller is more acceptable than taking shots at one weaker than the teller.

POC taking shots at white people for not liking spice is the former: white people are dominant in the US, culturally, politically, etc. White people taking shots at other ethnicities for their food choices is the latter; members of the dominant group mocking those beneath them in the broad social heirarchy.


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