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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#267776: Jan 18th 2019 at 11:23:45 PM

Construction would almost certainly be blocked by court cases on the legality of the order, which could stretch out until after the 2020 election. That seems to be the commonly held belief on why Trump hasn't called a national emergency earlier.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#267777: Jan 19th 2019 at 1:42:56 AM

See, I was thinking that legal concerns weren't the issue (emergency powers in the US go a scarily long way, see the debate years ago about an Internet "kill switch") but rather the concern that if Trump can randomly embezzle money to fund his wall, so can any future Democratic president do the same thing with their own pet projects.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#267778: Jan 19th 2019 at 4:12:08 AM

Trump is clearly not used to having to actually negotiate with someone he can't just bully into submission.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#267779: Jan 19th 2019 at 4:36:28 AM

Trump's idea of negotiation probably involves giving them lots of money until the problem goes away,trouble is,bribery only works on some people and others want something more

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#267780: Jan 19th 2019 at 5:13:37 AM

No, his idea is to PROMISE a lot of money and then skip out of town.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267781: Jan 19th 2019 at 5:20:19 AM

I'm all for Trump doing the state of emergency and it getting blocked in legal challenges until it can be be abandoned.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#267782: Jan 19th 2019 at 6:22:38 AM

Mueller's Special Counsel is disputing the Buzzfeed story. This is not good optics...

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Jupiterian Local
#267783: Jan 19th 2019 at 6:29:10 AM

The general take on that seems to be that he's disputing their analysis rather than their evidence, given that he very pointedly hasn't called out any specific information as wrong.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#267784: Jan 19th 2019 at 6:45:28 AM

[up] Right, but try telling the media (and the president) that distinction. They're all, "Mueller disputed it, that means Buzzfeed's story is 100% fake."

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i'm tired, my friend
#267785: Jan 19th 2019 at 6:47:26 AM

It also doesn't help that it's Buzzfeed. That's more than enough for people to discredit the story.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#267786: Jan 19th 2019 at 6:57:39 AM

Buzzfeed News is actually a pretty quality journalism outfit — they've broken major stories before. They're the ones who actually published the Steele Dossier in full, for example. They also published the story about Breitbart using Milo Yiannopoulos as a cutout to solicit articles from white supremacists and neo-Nazis, and were the first to report on the sexual assault allegations against Kevin Spacey.

The dumb internet meme side of the company funds the legit journalism going on in another department.

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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#267787: Jan 19th 2019 at 7:15:37 AM

My WAG is that Buzzfeed got the snoop on the Coup De Grace in Muellers report and he's trying to put some padding between them (and their rep) and it.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#267788: Jan 19th 2019 at 7:17:58 AM

Trump Plans to Make Democrats an Offer to End Shutdown, Not Declare National Emergency, in Saturday Speech, Official Says

    Trump Plans to Make Democrats an Offer to End Shutdown, Not Declare National Emergency, in Saturday Speech, Official Says 

(CNN)President Donald Trump plans to offer Democrats another proposal to end the shutdown when he addresses the nation from the White House on Saturday afternoon — what officials are describing as his third offer to end the shutdown, according to a senior administration official.

The official told CNN that Trump's idea is to put something on the table to get Democrats to engage with negotiations. Trump is not expected to back down from his demand for a border wall, but the plan will seek to entice Democrats by offering other concessions.

However, this plan is not based on negotiations with Democrats and White House officials are pessimistic that it will change much in stalled talks, because Democrats have previously refused to counter the White House's proposal. Instead they have insisted that the President reopen the government, then engage in negotiations over border security.

The official added that discussions about a national emergency are ongoing in the administration and the President is not expected to announce a decision on that during Saturday's speech. However, nothing is definite until it's announced by the President.

Trump announced earlier Friday evening that he would be making a statement to the nation at 3 p.m. Saturday from the White House. The speech will come on the 29th day of the government shutdown, which began last month when congressional Democrats and Trump failed to reach a deal to fund roughly a quarter of the government.

Negotiations have been at an impasse for weeks over Trump's demand for money to fund his border wall. Democrats, led by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, have been adamant that they do not want to give Trump any funding for a wall along the southern border.

When asked about the announcement by reporters Friday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders wouldn't shed much light on what Trump would say, declaring, "I'm not going to get ahead of the President."

She said the announcement will be made in the Diplomatic Reception Room at the White House.

"I'm not going to get ahead of the President but I can assure he's going to continue fighting for border security, he's going to continue looking for the solution to end the humanitarian and national security crisis at the border," Sanders told reporters at the White House.

Asked specifically whether the humanitarian and national security crisis at the border constituted a national emergency, Sanders again declined to comment. "Again, I'm not getting ahead of the President. He'll make that announcement tomorrow afternoon. I suggest everybody tune in," she said.

Edited by kkhohoho on Jan 19th 2019 at 9:18:42 AM

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#267789: Jan 19th 2019 at 7:36:15 AM

[up]I'm not even going to try guessing exactly how he'll fuck this up.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#267790: Jan 19th 2019 at 7:47:16 AM

[up]"Me want wall, Demo can end shutdown if give me wall!!1!"-Trump and all his supporters.

Edited by Wildcard on Jan 19th 2019 at 10:47:25 AM

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A procrastination in of itself
#267791: Jan 19th 2019 at 7:51:09 AM

Buzzfeed being disputed works quite well for Muller's reputation, as the right are saying that Muller is trustworthy by validating Muller's disputation.

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#267792: Jan 19th 2019 at 7:52:04 AM

He might offer concessions on DACA (which would enrage his base and the far-right media), or spending/healthcare (which pisses off Congressional Republicans). And that's if the Democrats take the compromise, which is unlikely.

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She/her
#267793: Jan 19th 2019 at 8:14:19 AM

Problem is, republicans and pro-Trump people only trust Mueller if he says stuff they like.

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A procrastination in of itself
#267794: Jan 19th 2019 at 8:17:19 AM

Sure they will never trust Muller, but them backing his word right now is going to give Muller creditability with independents who are on the fence about him.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#267795: Jan 19th 2019 at 8:19:57 AM

It's a mixed bag kinda thing. It gives more legitimacy to Mueller, but the free press suffers in the process.

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The Mod with the Migraine
#267796: Jan 19th 2019 at 8:42:01 AM

it's ridiculous how you are all getting so defensive at the very idea of white peoples' taste in food being called bland.
I object to the faulty logic that "not spicy = bland." And aside from that, I don't see how it's any less racist to say "white people food is bland" compared to "black people food is fried chicken." Both are insulting, both ignore the facts.
Y’all know we have a Food thread, right?
Point, except I don't want to post there. tongue
Why do this (fake border crisis announcement) on the weekend. Seriously.
Because Trump thinks fewer people will be paying attention, I think.
Trump is not expected to back down from his demand for a border wall, but the plan will seek to entice Democrats by offering other concessions.
Exactly what concessions is Trump supposed to be offering? Not to tweet mean things about them for a week?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#267797: Jan 19th 2019 at 8:43:48 AM

The questions that occur to me are

Are there any concessions the Democrats would, or could, accept in exchange for the border wall and re-opening the government?
How easily can the Republicans screw them in the process if they accept?

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 19th 2019 at 9:45:12 AM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#267800: Jan 19th 2019 at 8:57:55 AM

CNN was talking about Trump offering to extend both DACA and Temporarily Protected refugees as part of a wall funding bill. Again, that would cost Trump a lot of face among the one circle of voters/talking heads, whose opinions he cares about.

Plus, the Democrats' own base wouldn't tolerate any wall funding at this point, not after they ran openly against it last November.

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