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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#267676: Jan 18th 2019 at 8:56:47 AM

> There was a time when he was a damn hero

Which was when?

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#267677: Jan 18th 2019 at 8:59:58 AM

Welcome to the lucky 10,000. smile

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Edited by wisewillow on Jan 18th 2019 at 12:00:55 PM

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#267678: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:06:14 AM

[up]x2 Right after 9/11. That's about it, though.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#267679: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:07:09 AM

What did he exactly?

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TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#267680: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:08:41 AM

The only time I figured he was actually well liked was dealing with New York City's insane crime problems. His tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime approach seemed to have worked quite well.

His forceful leadership in the aftermath of 9/11 also won him some respect. Beyond that, not much.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#267681: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:23:18 AM

If they have text messages and emails of him being ordered to do this, they’ve had the Trump family dead to rights for a while now.

Probably just sitting their Is and crossing their Ts to make sure everything is airtight

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#267682: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:24:42 AM

I knew about the watermelon and fried chicken, hot sauce was the new one.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#267683: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:39:03 AM

Been a few months, but trumps approval rating is below 40% again:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

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RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#267684: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:40:06 AM

Better Pokemon metaphor: Guliani's a male Combee.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#267685: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:49:07 AM

So I've been curious for a while, but I didn't really want to ask it until just now. If people really don't want Trump to be in charge, why can't they just rally behind someone to beat him in an election instead of doing all this work to impeach him on illegal things he may or may not have done?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#267686: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:51:27 AM

Because the election is years away and they want him gone NOW and impeachment is how you remove a sitting President

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#267687: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:51:36 AM

I think thats what we are doing.

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#267688: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:52:35 AM

[up][up]Because if he really is on Putins payroll would you want him at the levers of the highest office of the Country for 2 more years?

And simply because of that:

You disagree with someone in office politically? Thats what elections are for.

Someone in office commits crimes, breaks laws and commits generally actions that are inacceptable in that office? Thats exactly what impeachment is for.

Impeachment is not for 'disagreements'. Its for crimes.

Edited by 3of4 on Jan 18th 2019 at 6:54:11 PM

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DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#267689: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:04:37 AM

I swear, the only reason Trump has Giuliani be his legal face is because people recognize him.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#267690: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:06:13 AM

There was a time when he was a damn hero.

Jon Oliver actually did a segment on that.

Giulani didn't suddently turn into a piece of shit - it's just that people forgot he was one.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267691: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:14:23 AM

So I've been curious for a while, but I didn't really want to ask it until just now. If people really don't want Trump to be in charge, why can't they just rally behind someone to beat him in an election instead of doing all this work to impeach him on illegal things he may or may not have done?

But he has done them. He's broken lots and lots and lots of laws. His children are given high placed posts in government, he continues to run his businesses, he benefits from patronage, he obstructs justice left and right, and he's colluded with foreign countries.

And he's not punished for any of it or impeached as would happen in a reasonable society.

It's watching the man rob a bank and the police ignore it.

And if you say, well we don't know...Yes we do! We have plenty of witnesses and confessions!

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 18th 2019 at 10:14:57 AM

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#267692: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:15:37 AM

Right, I never said he deserved to be considered a hero, I meant he was considered one.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267693: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:16:17 AM

The only time I figured he was actually well liked was dealing with New York City's insane crime problems. His tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime approach seemed to have worked quite well.

His forceful leadership in the aftermath of 9/11 also won him some respect. Beyond that, not much.

It should be noted Trump was part of that. Giuliani and Trump both worked to send all of the poor in Manhattan....elsewhere.

Then they bought the buildings to sell to the super rich.

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#267694: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:20:58 AM

[up][up][up]Yeah, and with the Republicans having control of the senate, impeachment is not going to happen unless Trump openly declares the USA a province of Russia. Whatever reasonable Republicans there might be in the senate, they are kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place, because if they condemn Trump, his rabid fanbase will vote them out. So to hold on to their jobs, they have to go along with Trump and hope they can play the "adult in the room" narrative during the next election.

Of course, it's not like they'd starve without their jobs. Every last one of them is at least a millionaire, and probably has some cushy job with a private company lined up. So let's not give them too much of a pass on this mess.

Edited by Kayeka on Jan 18th 2019 at 7:21:30 PM

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#267695: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:23:51 AM

[up]

...unless Trump openly declares the USA a province of Russia.

Shh! Don't give him ideas!tongue

Edited by kkhohoho on Jan 18th 2019 at 12:24:12 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#267696: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:25:35 AM

Yeah, Republicans aren't ending a historically long shutdown.

Expecting them to be party to impeachment is just delusion at this point.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267697: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:35:25 AM

No one expects it.

However, it's the way it should be working when the President is blatantly committing impeachable offenses. Being angry, upset, and constantly pointing out that he is a criminal being let get away with crimes prevents it from being normalized.

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#267698: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:37:58 AM

It's going to be difficult for Republicans to justify no impeachment in the face of texts, emails and calls proving Trump directed Cohen to lie to his own congress, but I expect an acquittal in the senate anyway.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267699: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:49:03 AM

Do people think the Republicans are bothered by facts?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#267700: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:52:54 AM

And that they are not bothered about their reelection? Which they can only accomplish by pandering to his base?

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