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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I had a lot of positive role models of women too, growing up. But for my upbringing, "She's a strong, smart woman," always came followed with "And as a man, your job is to be even stronger than her. Not smarter. Men will never be smarter than women. But strong enough to make her yours!"
With my upbringing, strong female role models were a metric for how much stronger male role models had to be, in order to maintain the "appropriate" power dynamic. If a woman was strong, you have to be stronger. If a woman is fast, you have to be faster. If a woman is tall, you have to be taller.
Just. Not smarter. Smart was considered a "woman thing".
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 16th 2019 at 9:04:01 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I just watched a Youtube video that generally made fun of the outrage over a recently aired anime (The Rising of the Shield Hero)note , and... well, the guy seems to have a very low opinion of "SJWs" given how he's pretty much slapped that label over the vast majority of the people expressing said outrage.
This brings me to ask the question: What exactly do people tend to mean when they say "Social Justice Warrior", and does the negative image associated with it have any degree of truth? I get the impression that the term is mainly a US thing.
Edited by MarqFJA on Jan 16th 2019 at 9:10:36 PM
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
x4 Originally meant as a pejorative term for Single-Issue Wonk activists on some question of social animus, it's gradually expanded to mean "Person talking about a social issue I do not like/do not want changed because I like the Status Quo/I am Feeling Oppressed by Their Existence".
It's basically a buzzword to dismiss any legitimate criticism of a social injustice by claiming the one bringing it up is a Single-Issue Wonk with no substance, or the issue itself is trivial and therefore irrelevant.
At it's most extreme, it's basically the other prong of the Horseshoe, one prong being the alt-Right. Mostly restricted to Europe and America.
Note that some of the more idiotic activists aren't really helping with foot in the mouth statements, or stupid (or immature) behaviour when confronted by the bigots. Or being Slacktivists - lot of noise online, little effort offline.
EDIT: A hilarious - though true - description of the term.
And here's one about their polar opposites.
Edited by TechPriest90 on Jan 16th 2019 at 1:32:45 PM
I hold the secrets of the machine.Well, long story short: if you find someone that uses the words "SJW" without any irony, you've found someone not worth listening to. Whatever truth there may have been to the term, it was lost to painful overuse as they slapped it on basically everyone that dares to ask "hey, is this okay?".
It's generally the kind of people that can't handle intense hardcore introspection that uses the term.
Also, Rising of the Shield Hero only gets dumber as it goes on, and you can safely skip it.
Well, the thing is, the guy actually pulls up some examples of the "criticism" that the anime got, and the first one even he admitted right off the bat that it's not bad per se, just kinda funny/ironic note , while the next fews (from Twitter) one really did seem like single-issue wonks that kept digging their heels when most if not all the responses they got called bullshit on their "arguments".
I dunno, honestly. I could give you guys a link to watch the video yourselves (10 minutes long).
EDIT: Here it is.
Edited by MarqFJA on Jan 16th 2019 at 9:19:38 PM
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus."What exactly do people tend to mean when they say "Social Justice Warrior", and does the negative image associated with it have any degree of truth? I"
Is more a new version of the "overly liberal who yelled at thing" the general gist of it is someone who take series representation as serious buissnes and go around naggin every one with a holier thant you actitude and trying to hard to be progresive in something people feel is meanless(fiction), for them is kind of left progresive counterpart of edgelord.
Or that is how they see it.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I care about maybe trying to acknowledge and address the rampant misogyny and misandry that form the baseline of our society. Clearly an SJW!
Do not obey in advance.
Yeah, at first it was just the steriotypical tumblr poster who goes into rant about whatever something is ofensive and get very defensing about arguing about it(which it exist sadly, not that much but it does, that is why must of my progresive belief come from this place).
But it have devolped into a "everything that ideologicaly seen to care about people" unlike the aceptable "I dont give a shit but I care anyway" people sort of expect.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Well, to be fair, even though I got unnerved by the overall way he phrased the whole thing ("SJW" as a slur immediately made me suspect he's right-leaning at the very least), I do actually agree with Yellow Flash (the guy who made that video) that such outrage is excessive; even though I haven't read the source work yet or watched the anime, I've seen examples of this outrage when reading the comment sections of other isekai manga that "dare" to not portray the MC buying/owning slaves as a Very Bad thing note .
Honestly, if such people invested that much energy and emotion into real-life efforts to combat slavery, racism, and/or other sorts of discrimination, the world would be a lot better. Why go after niche works so vehemently?
Edited by MarqFJA on Jan 16th 2019 at 9:27:45 PM
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.They go after works because, while they do not have the power to end the worlds problems on their own, they do have the power to choose that which they consume. They are also vocal about it so that there can be no mistake in the boardroom as to what it is that caused the numbers to go down.
Also, slavery is a Very Bad Thing, and isekai especially get hit with the outrage stick because their protagonists do not have the excuse of not knowing any better.
If you want to discuss this further, I suggest you take it to the "Politics in Media" thread, here under Real-ish.
Edited by Kayeka on Jan 16th 2019 at 7:33:04 PM
On another note, I'm actually surprised to learn that it used to be a positive/neutral moniker back when it was first coined, and it's Twitter usage in the late 2000s / early 2010s that turned it into a wholly negative one.
Anyway, I left you guys a link to the video in question, in case you wanted to watch it first-hand.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Because media fuels our perceptions of reality, which perpetuates media trying to depict realism.
And going "no, don't worry about it, he's a good slaveowner" sounds like it's sort of sugarcoating a serious issue. I have personally seen people defend sex trafficking in the East as "well, how else are these women going to make money?
From the sound of it, it's not that people are upset at the character for his slaves, people are upset at the writer for crafting a narrative that whitewashes someone being a slave-owner. That it's justified in-story doesn't make it okay for the writer to make it okay out-of-story to have set it up.
Again, very surface-level reading here as "Oh boy! Isekai that opens with a False Rape Accusation!" is something that sounds written to appeal to incels to the point that it's a negative in terms of appeal to me.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Yeah SJW is a term that means nothing as is pretty much always used by someone who shouldn't be listened to, people who complain about SJ Ws are generally winging about anyone daring to level social criticism at something they like, while people who self identify as Social Justice Warriors are generally hurtful assholes using a progressive cause as a cover for their real desire to abuse others.
On the men's thing, i'd note that there are legitimate men's groups that focus on male issues (suicide and mental health being a key one), I think we've name dropped them a few times in our own Men's Issues Thread, they just don't identify as MR As.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranRandom prediction time: If the Democrats manage a crushing victory in 2020 (president, keep House majority, increase seats in Senate) then any Republican candidates in 2022-24 will try to use the "adult in the room" narrative where they were the one keeping the Trump administration from implementing its worst ideas. Even if this in no way resembles their actions at the time.

Edited by M84 on Jan 16th 2019 at 11:44:25 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised