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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
How did Farrakhan get involved with the Women's March in the first place? Given some of the things he's said, I'm pretty baffled he got to be involved with them in the first place.
And what's the deal with Farrakhan and Obama meeting? I've heard about how that happened, but considering my dad was the first I heard it from, I can't trust a lot of what he says considering he thinks Obama is the anti-christ and he called me an idiot with no value for being against Trump.
Power of Thor!They aren't responding to you, they're responding to Imca's argument.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangThe most important thing for the primary IMO is for things to not get too ugly and that the resulting candidate is someone who most democratic voters will be ok with rallying behind. While there are other factors that will influence the election like voter suppression and russian interference, Donald and the GOP are very unpopular so if the Democrats have a decent candidate then they should be perfectly feasible to beat.
It would look better then what it looks like now, which is "We don't actually care about women at all, we only say that we do so they vote for us"
And some one who actualy cared about those cars, rather then just saying they did would still replace it, because it ment something to them, either out of collectors value or utility.
Worth noting that Womens March organizations at the state and city level have also disassociated themselves from the top group over this.
Feminism as a movement certainly isnt going away. What will inevitably happen is that the local groups will re-organize under a new unbrella, one that can better represent their interests with less baggage. The movement will re-emerge and will be stronger than before. Give it some time.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.Aren't the odds more than a little likely that the Republicans in power will simply shrug their shoulders, say "So what?" and allow nothing to happen?
Imca, you may want to consider that several local chapters of the greater "Women's March" social movement have decried the national Women's March organization's leadership over the controversy, to the point of outspoken rejection and instances of "dueling marches" (basically, the national organization has tried to exert/take control of some local marches).
From Wikipedia
alone, the Women's March chapters that have broken off with the national group include the ones in the following: New York City, Washington State, California, Illinois, Louisiana, and Michigan.
Edited by MarqFJA on Jan 15th 2019 at 6:16:26 PM
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Feminism as a movement certainly isnt going away. What will inevitably happen is that the local groups will re-organize under a new unbrella, one that can better represent their interests with less baggage. The movement will re-emerge and will be stronger than before. Give it some time.
Time is all I have ever given these issues, time and time and more time, but guess what, things never improve, people always say it will improve if you just give it time, they always say that stuff like this isn't a strike against it.... and they are always incredibly wrong.
What did time do back in 2012 when the hashtag that cant be named was happening, did the issues go away then? No they got worse and culminated in the alt right.
What did time do back in 2016 when the cheeto put a major dent in progress, did it get any better? No even fighting tooth and nail we still got a rapist on the courts and our rights eroded.
It is past the point where a tool in the box can be discarded, because otherwise we are never going to see any change in our lifetimes, and at that point why even bother.
Agian, no source has been provided on the local groups attempting to upsur the national group, nor continued suport for the local ones.
Edited by Imca on Jan 15th 2019 at 7:16:49 AM
...Yeah, I'm actually kinda with the other posters on this point, Imca. Like, I'd like it if the Democrats had used the time to boost support for other organizations, but I'd still rather this than them not condemning it at all.
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerAs a descendant of a Holocaust survivor, I'm appalled by anti-semitic groups managing to hijack a feminist movement. It not only gives feminism itself a bad name, it will just cause the usage of the "SJW" buzzword as a way to insult progressives more vindicated then they have any right to be.
Watch SymphogearBy disavowing the single most notable public group for womens issues, they send the message that they don't care. Its not just "One group" it is the single most notable group, which is why I compare it to disvowing the king marches, and keep asking for sources on the local ones going to war on the naitonal one, or if the suport of the minor ones is still a thing.
If it was just about any other group, the response would be different, but you cant seperate notability out of these kinds of things.
Compounded by not at least throwing there hat in to the ring with an alterntive to try and get them rolling instead.
To be fair (although the leaders have BADLY botched this) the Women’s March is not affiliated with the Nation of Islam. A leader is friends with Farrakhan and refuses to properly denounce him because of years of history.
I think the Women’s March has handled this badly. I understand why Farrakhan still has some support for his work in the black community, but at Mallory’s level, she can’t brush away his vicious anti-Semitism.
I think it’s also understandable that until the Women’s March sets things straight, the DNC doesn’t want to be affiliated. The DNC already supports Planned Parenthood and a bunch of other, less well known groups like Emily’s List; given how much antisemitism has increased in the last couple years, the DNC being fed up is the right response.
And it's totally understandable that the local branches are willing to defy the national organization. It's not like the national organization has treated them with any respect.
Embattled Women’s March Finally Releases Financial Records
Mercy Morganfield, the former president of the Women’s March DC, has accused the leaders of the national march of co-opting the movement to line their own pockets.
The 990 forms don’t include a detailed rundown of how money was spent, but they show that board members were not taking exorbitant paychecks; salaries of the officers range from $26,400 to $73,404. Half of the program-centric spending was focused largely on the Women’s Convention in October 2017, and the rest was spent on Women’s March on Washington in January 2017 and four smaller events, according to a pie chart in the group’s annual report.
There did not appear to be any donations to sister marches, a key point of contention for some state-based activists—and a point Morganfield has made both online and to The Daily Beast. In fact, on their tax forms, the Women's March Inc. checked off “no” on a question that asked if it has local chapters, branches or affiliates.
Asked for her reaction to the group’s financials, Morganfield was blunt.
“I don’t believe it,” she said of the breakdown of spending. “To me, it’s laughable. It’s like ‘I did not collude with Russia.’”
Edited by M84 on Jan 15th 2019 at 11:50:28 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised

Worth noting that Womens March organizations at the state and city level have also disassociated themselves from the top group over this.