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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#267226: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:13:06 PM

Question: what would the ideal presidential election campaign cycle look like to you?

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#267227: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:15:24 PM

We're up to... what, seven candidates now? Good grief...

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#267228: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:16:33 PM

One where there isn't any clear frontrunner, allows for better debates. On Gillibrand, her record on women's issues is top notch, but unfortunately that seems like the only thing defining her.

Life is unfair...
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#267229: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:19:30 PM

> We're up to... what, seven candidates now? Good grief...

Seven is such odd number,make it eight and we'll call it even

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#267230: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:21:35 PM

I’d like to get platforms from everyone (hopefully with a further left average than in 2016) and then have the crappiest/most centrist drop out by the summer/fall- then December-May can be a fun proper primary between the 2-3 best.

And so help me god, we need a progressive with some damn charisma. NOT YOU, BERNIE (go away Tulsi Gabbard not you either).

Edited by wisewillow on Jan 15th 2019 at 7:22:10 AM

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#267231: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:24:48 PM

What we really need is for things to be nice and resolved so there can be a decently long campaigning period and not spend too much time arguing with each other.

And maybe for some of the candidates to pair up with each other.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#267232: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:25:39 PM

One where there isn't any clear frontrunner, allows for better debates. On Gillibrand, her record on women's issues is top notch, but unfortunately that seems like the only thing defining her.

I don't see why that's a bad thing on its own, Women are 50% of the population and turnout higher than Men. So that's a pretty good place to start, and it's not like she can't run on other things too (like how she was the first Senator to support banning ICE).

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 15th 2019 at 7:26:11 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#267233: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:29:14 PM

Never underestimate how many white women are willing to uphold patriarchy and white supremacy. Remember Roy Moore?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#267234: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:32:44 PM

I mean, that's true, but I'm not really sure particularly relevant in regards to Gillibrand.

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#267235: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:36:03 PM

I’d still love Harris, and with the exception of Bernie or maybe Biden I can see all of them responding to losing the primary with grace.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#267236: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:38:25 PM

So how many people have actually declared they're running, and how many are in "haven't said it, but we're pretty sure they will" territory?

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#267237: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:43:04 PM

What my ideal candidate would look like? Someone progressive, charismatic and down to earth, with no really horrible scandals in their past (and taking responsibility for past mistakes committed, like Beto did). And for the love of god, please don't be a senior citizen. If you're good, I want you healthy and around for a long time.

Edited by BearyScary on Jan 15th 2019 at 3:43:35 AM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#267238: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:45:18 PM

@Fruitpork, Biden has lost primaries before, and bowed out as expected. If he does run (I could see him becoming a sought after endorsement otherwise), I don't expect him to be a shit disturber if he loses.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#267239: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:46:18 PM

Wasn't at least part of the issue with white people in general/white women in particular defending Moore that they sincerely didn't believe the claims against him were true?

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 15th 2019 at 5:46:33 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#267240: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:49:44 PM

[up]I remember the story being the Moore's hometown going pretty hard for Jones specifically because they were aware of Moore's activities.

For everyone else, it seemed like White people who believed the accusations were just more likely to not vote all rather than vote for Jones, whereas the ones who still did vote for Moore were very much "it's just lies".

Of course, you also have to look into the reasons why they'd sincerely disbelieve the accusations, and I imagine those aren't pretty.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 15th 2019 at 6:53:43 AM

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#267241: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:54:21 PM

I feel like even that had less to do with them believing the accusations and more to do with them having personally met Moore- by all accounts, he's a complete asshole who's pissed off everyone who's talked to him at length.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#267242: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:57:50 PM

So, I’ve been wondering - how strong is anti-Biden sentiment among Democratic voters? He does well in polls, but those won’t necessarily mean anything this time next year.

I’d honestly prefer he didn’t win, but I’m curious how many others feel that way. My parents like him, but I feel like that might be more hometown loyalty than anything.

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Imca (Veteran)
#267243: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:58:20 PM

There are plenty of significant women's rights/interests organizations that don't have connections to bigoted radicals; the DNC will keep supporting them I'm sure

Like they supported the dreamers through not 1 but 2 shutdowns prior to this? At this point I have ZERO faith in there support of any group beyond just words.

And none of those other groups get the same kind of attention that the marches did, which is the problem. Its not exacttly the hardest thing in the world to expunge leadership, if they don't go willingly, you just cold shoulder them and make your own leadership.

Instead, yet agian the words and actions go to compelatly different places, it is "We will suport you, right up until the point that it is politically inconvenient, at which point we wont care about you either."

I will believe that when they actually start getting results in there "support" for minorities, or at the very least start actually steaming the damage, instead of backing down every time there is any kind of obstacle.

Edited by Imca on Jan 15th 2019 at 5:05:11 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#267244: Jan 15th 2019 at 5:07:04 PM

[up]Are you kidding me?

Don't you dare suggest that the people who rightfully withdrew their support are the ones who don't support minorities, the Women's March leadership had ties to a fucking hate group.

The fact that you don't see that as a reason to cut support is extremely unfortunate, it is not the responsibility of the DNC or anyone else to clean up the Women's March's act. If March refuses to improve (which it has not) then the only decent thing to is cut off support, and show that there are consequences for supporting prejudice.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 15th 2019 at 8:07:34 AM

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#267245: Jan 15th 2019 at 5:09:58 PM

Conversations like this always prompt me to ask how things are on the opposite end of the political spectrum. From my point of view, it seems like Evil Is One Big, Happy Family, or even a Hive Mind. But that probably isn't the case. I wonder what kind of arguments flare up between them.

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Imca (Veteran)
#267246: Jan 15th 2019 at 5:16:36 PM

They don't even provide a replacement, or any kind of substitution, consolidation or indication that they still care. They just serverd ties to what is the most visible way of speaking out we have.

So no with there track record so far, indicates that they don't actually have support beyond lip service, to indicate that takes effort.

Agian, the actions of the leadership, are not indicative of the actions of a group as a whole, and the only "hate" so far is over hates which were a play on words over what trump did, not LGBT-phobia

[up] Honestly? They fight even more, even history will show you that, just look at fascist regimes of the past and how much effort is spent on infighting. I don't want to know how much scarier they would be if they could actualy get along.

Edited by Imca on Jan 15th 2019 at 5:17:41 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#267247: Jan 15th 2019 at 5:18:04 PM

The group as a whole is affected by their leadership,they should have pulled support a lot sooner

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Imca (Veteran)
#267248: Jan 15th 2019 at 5:25:08 PM

Soooo, if we go back some years no one should have supported King's marches? Its not like they didn't have leadership figures that encouraged constant clashes with the police or ones that were strongly against women's rights or any thing like that.

The thing is that marches get results, there not always going to be perfect or filled entirely with outstanding individuals, but they are the best tool the civil rights playbook has, and we NEED ours more then ever with things like the supreme court having a rapist sat on it because the government lacks any basic human dignity... or the constant attacks on the rights we have worked so hard to get until this point.

Edited by Imca on Jan 15th 2019 at 5:25:36 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#267249: Jan 15th 2019 at 5:28:28 PM

It sounds like the issue here is the continued support and refusal to replace the leadership. If not for that, I don't think anyone would have much of a problem.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 15th 2019 at 7:28:41 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267250: Jan 15th 2019 at 5:28:57 PM

Evil is not a big happy family as the Republicans threw massive numbers of their own under the bus to cater to white supremacy.

The fiscal conservatives who actually believed have also been stunned by this turn of events.

As were those evangelicals who didn't actually care more about a white man in office than a embezzling from charities serial adulterer (as well as possible rapist).

I enjoyed this book talking about the radicalizing of the Republican party.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BK9M949/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 15th 2019 at 5:29:40 AM

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