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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#267201: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:21:03 PM

All in all, he's looking like a bit of a mixed bag.

I mean, there's no doubt he's going to be confirmed, but he may (big may) end up not inflicting much damage overall, especially if the Mueller report is already far enough along

Edited by MrHellboy on Jan 15th 2019 at 3:21:38 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#267202: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:22:16 PM

Burying the report means nothing happens. I have zero trust in Barr.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#267203: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:33:04 PM

The House can demand a copy. The possibility of burying the Mueller Report ended in Nov.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#267204: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:39:53 PM

I mean, Barr actually strikes as me an improvement over Sessions- let's not forget the fact that Sessions was considered to be too racist for the Nixon administration. The main reason people were worried about him leaving was the possibility that his successor would fire Mueller, so if that's off the table, there's no longer any reason to mourn his departure from the cabinet.

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#267205: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:40:12 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#267206: Jan 15th 2019 at 2:11:22 PM

The funny thing is that for all Trump's wailing about Mueller and Comey being friends and that should disqualify him from being the special counsel, Burr is actually closer to Mueller than Comey ever was.

nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#267207: Jan 15th 2019 at 2:12:25 PM

If anyone wants to introduce a topic, it is, in fact, possible to do that without talking down to people, ~Friendperson.

Also, hollers are preferred to disputing back in turn, thanks.[up] [up]

Edited by nombretomado on Jan 15th 2019 at 2:12:57 AM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#267208: Jan 15th 2019 at 2:19:23 PM

Re: Gilphon. Actually, Barr is a law and order guy and probably just as bad as Sessions in that regard. I figure that the discussion of his Mueller opinions are overshadowing this aspect.

Also, I am wondering about the thesis of this article. To me it sounds like it's claiming that white Democratic presidential nominees would face pressure to take a position on race issues and that certain voters ("Obama-Trump voters") might be more put off by such candidates than by actual black candidates who don't face the same pressure. It sounds a bit paradoxical to me but as a seasoned biologist I know that 2+2=1 is often true; thoughts?

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Imca (Veteran)
#267209: Jan 15th 2019 at 2:22:00 PM

There's some wonderful news, The DNC has withdrawn its sponsorship of the Women's March

It's more a pity that something which should have been a force for change has been tainted so badly.

I agree this is very much NOT wonderful news, it is still something that is incredibly needed, and should honestly just be solved by ingnoring the leaders.... Pulling support entirely just sends the message that "You know what your problems aren't important to us either, we are going to let a couple people's shitty veiws ruin your chance to be heard... Because the optics of a few are more important then the problems of many."

Edited by Imca on Jan 15th 2019 at 2:22:41 AM

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#267210: Jan 15th 2019 at 2:22:57 PM

Well, this is surprising: Several Republicans have voted with Democrats to not relax sanctions on Russian companies

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1085294345216028672

Looks like not all Republicans are afraid to break from Trump on something

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#267211: Jan 15th 2019 at 2:27:47 PM

When it comes to confronting the Russians directly, some Republicans have been more easy about voting with the Democrats.

Guess it ruffles the feathers of the old Cold War hawks.

Man, I can't believe "Russian agent" is something we say with utmost seriousness these days. I only ever heard it in reference to cheesy 60's movies.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#267212: Jan 15th 2019 at 2:28:59 PM

In general, Republicans have been entirely willing to say that Russia is bad, Russia's interference in 2016 is bad, and Russia needs to be punished for it.

They just won't hold it against Trump. The party line is that he's an entirely innocent victim of circumstance, and neither colluded nor benefit in any way from Russian meddling.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 15th 2019 at 3:31:01 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267213: Jan 15th 2019 at 2:30:53 PM

"Russia is bad, I hate Russia, and the NRA is not taking money from Russia or giving it to me."

And honestly, Vladimir Putin is more effective than most Cold Warriors by far.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 15th 2019 at 2:33:45 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#267214: Jan 15th 2019 at 2:31:07 PM

Confronting the Russians directly is tricky,you dont know how they're going to respond you just prey they dont do anything stupid,this would normally be the same for any country but with Russian's cold war history it makes things extra volatile.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#267215: Jan 15th 2019 at 2:36:56 PM

They deliberately cultivate that image.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#267216: Jan 15th 2019 at 2:39:40 PM

Still, I can't imagine this makes Donnie very happy

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#267217: Jan 15th 2019 at 3:07:04 PM

Trump today tried to bypass Pelosi by inviting moderate Democrats to discuss voting for his wall in order to reopen the government instead.

None of them showed up.

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#267218: Jan 15th 2019 at 3:07:49 PM

Good. They cannot, and should not, cave. That would be guaranteeing he gets re-elected in 2020

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#267219: Jan 15th 2019 at 3:08:31 PM

> None of them showed up.

he should have promised them free burgers

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#267220: Jan 15th 2019 at 3:13:00 PM

[up][up]I disagree- caving would do bad things for their own chance of re-election, but I feel like if Trump has to start dealing with the practical issues involved with building the wall, and people start seeing how badly that's would inevitably go... there's not a lot of reason to assume to would help Trump's chances.

Plus, y'know, most Americans don't want the Wall to happen, so even before we get into stuff like that, the default assumption should be it will hurt any politician who supports it; especially one like Trump, who has to rely on the entire country for re-election.

The only reason Trump thinks the Wall is important is because Fox News keeps talking about how much Trump's base wants it. Even through Trump's base is super-loyal enough that the presence or lack of wall is unlikely to change anything.

Edited by Gilphon on Jan 15th 2019 at 6:14:42 AM

Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#267221: Jan 15th 2019 at 3:31:43 PM

Re: Trump inviting House Dems.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) joked in a closed-door meeting of top House Democrats on Monday that they were fine with Trump's invites and did not expect their members to break away.

Pelosi told Hoyer: “They can see what we've been dealing with. And they'll want to make a citizen’s arrest.”

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#267222: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:02:24 PM

I agree this is very much NOT wonderful news, it is still something that is incredibly needed, and should honestly just be solved by ingnoring the leaders.... Pulling support entirely just sends the message that "You know what your problems aren't important to us either, we are going to let a couple people's shitty veiws ruin your chance to be heard... Because the optics of a few are more important then the problems of many."

Excuse me what? It wasn't "a couple of people" it was the leadership of the Women's March tolerating the antisemitism and LGB Tphobia of Farrakhan and doubling down again and again.

To continue to support that organization would be a grievous insult to Jewish people, LGBT people, and LGBT Jewish people.

It is absolutely a good thing, those who willingly associate with bigots should be punished. Supporting the organization while its leaders do such a thing would send a clear signal of priorities, Jewish women and LGBT women deserve better.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 15th 2019 at 7:03:45 AM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#267223: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:06:08 PM

There are plenty of significant women's rights/interests organizations that don't have connections to bigoted radicals; the DNC will keep supporting them I'm sure. Unless it conducts a wholesale purge of its upper echelons, the Women's March is tainted.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#267224: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:09:08 PM

Speaking of which: Senator Kirsten Gillibrand is officially running for president.

Edited by Parable on Jan 15th 2019 at 4:09:28 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#267225: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:12:48 PM

Speaking of which: Senator Kirsten Gillibrand is officially running for president.

Heard about that grin

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang

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