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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#267101: Jan 14th 2019 at 7:12:57 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up] and [up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up]

So you have faith in Manchin to get the ball rolling and make something happen with Gardner and others?

Or wouldn't Trump just reject it anyway?

EDIT: Well, I'll be. My 5th page-topper. Two in one day

Edited by MrHellboy on Jan 14th 2019 at 9:13:34 AM

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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#267102: Jan 14th 2019 at 7:22:36 PM

[up] Without McConnell on board, or some Senate shenanigans that I don't know of, this bill is as dead as every other bill in the Senate right now. There's really only 2 ways this Shutdown will end apparently; either the Wall gets fully funded at $5.7 Billion (And I have a feeling by next week the price will be $6 Billion), or Trump caves and accepts any offer.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#267103: Jan 14th 2019 at 7:33:27 PM

In regards to the shutdown, it must be a regional thing. All of the people I’ve heard talk about it are mad at Trump, not the Dems. They think he’s being a childish prick who is hurting innocents over a stupid wall.

I would imagine Rochester is fairly blue, so there you go.

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#267104: Jan 14th 2019 at 8:08:02 PM

[up]X3 Oh nothing is going to happen, Gardner isn’t going to seriously stand up to Trump and even if he was willing to he’s not the one that has to be negotiated with, it’s the Turtle who has control over if the senate votes to reopen the government.

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#267105: Jan 14th 2019 at 8:13:00 PM

[up][up][up] I don't know. At the very least, it seems people are finally putting the blame where it belongs:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/01/surprise-the-shutdown-is-making-trump-unpopular

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#267106: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:31:06 PM

you know, I will expect trump to be so greedy that we will do lavish meal for the purpose of "because I can" but he is so cheap about stuff is actually disgusting in own way and I dont know why.

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#267107: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:31:58 PM

Lines up with how 538 has his approval ratings going down over the course of the shutdown.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#267108: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:36:47 PM

[up][up]Any "fancy" banquet Trump would throw would be marred by the simple fact that he has no class. He's a poor man's idea of what a rich man is.

He has no taste.

He has no sense of decor.

He apes the trappings of the rich elite in ways that actual rich elites would find utterly boorish and embarassing.

Believe it or not, if he had an entire fancy banquet where nothing but Mc Donald's and other fast food was served, that wouldn't be the worst possible menu Trump could devise.

Just look at some of the overpriced garbage fare served at Trump hotels and resorts.

Trump's hotel in Washington serves a $169 cocktail — and if the price gets you talking, wait for the twist

The twist being that this overpriced cocktail has no hard liquor in it. Instead it's expensive Hungarian wine.

You can't call that a cocktail! A cocktail is a mixture of spirits (hard liquor) with other ingredients! This is $169 juice!

Edited by M84 on Jan 15th 2019 at 1:42:24 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#267109: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:42:22 PM

[up] At first I was wondering why they didn’t even try to make it look like they cared at least a little bit, by choosing Panera or something (or really anything other than Mc Donald’s), than I realized...

That’s his favorite food!

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 14th 2019 at 12:44:31 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#267110: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:44:33 PM

You know Obama would have sprung for Panera sandwiches.

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#267111: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:48:05 PM

[up]. At least Panera catering sandwiches don’t get all gross and greasy, when they are cold. (I mean, with how many they had, they couldn’t have been particularly fresh.)

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 14th 2019 at 12:49:13 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267112: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:50:48 PM

Me: "Panera, really? I mean, is that the joke because I'm hoping that we all hope he'd actually get Washington D.C. catering....but Oooh. I get it now."

That was a Willow moment.

Mind you, Mickey Dees was good enough for Bill.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 14th 2019 at 9:52:57 AM

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#267113: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:08:25 PM

Off-topic serious question:

Does anyone else think that we are all putting rather a bit too much faith in Mueller and his report?

Suppose that report is jaw-dropping and just full of evidence of all kinds of crimes.

Aren't the odds more than a little likely that the Republicans in power will simply shrug their shoulders, say "So what?" and allow nothing to happen?

Edited by MrHellboy on Jan 14th 2019 at 12:08:36 PM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#267114: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:10:36 PM

[up]. Well, hopefully, as soon as he gets out of office, that will provide enough evidence for an indictment.

That’s the real end game here, I think.

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 14th 2019 at 1:11:31 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267115: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:11:09 PM

That's not really a prediction. That's why Mueller didn't turn in his report until the Democrats were in power and got an extension.

There's nothing the Republicans will allow to affect Trump up to an including murder.

Which is why Mueller probably will present the report in Trump's last few days in office and hope he'll be arrested after losing the election.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#267116: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:13:34 PM

See I was thinking that Mueller was slowing down before the election because it (especially since Comey) would be questionable to publish a report on a president's wrongdoing just before an election. Could be seen as trying to improperly influence the election.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#267117: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:15:02 PM

[up][up]If I remember correctly, the first time he went into private practice, he ended up hating it, and begged to come back to the FBI, because he couldn’t defend guilty people.

And Trump is just that sort of person.

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 14th 2019 at 1:20:12 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267118: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:18:23 PM

[up][up]I have the far more cynical that Mueller knows the Republicans would bury it and there would be no justice.

"Trump sold our country to the Russians and is guilty of high treason."

"Thank you for your work. Now toss your report in the bin on the way out."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 14th 2019 at 10:19:02 AM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#267119: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:22:33 PM

[up]. He has to know that too.

As a career prosecutor and lawman, he has an dedicated interest in seeing this case through. Remember, I’m pretty sure he knows the stakes better than anyone.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#267120: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:23:34 PM

I, too, have wondered if we're hoping for some pie-in-the-sky resolution to the Mueller probe. One that will discredit Trump and the GOP so thoroughly that their stranglehold on politics will be weakened for a very long time.

We also have to consider that the FBI is not our friend by and large. Remember how they're going after "black identity extremists"? Clearly the most pressing threat in North America today.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#267121: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:28:13 PM

I've always been pretty "see where it goes" with the investigation. I'm not expecting some miracle tha will take down Trump and permanently ruin the GOP or anything, but if it does end up doing some actual damage to both, great.

And the investigation should be done, regardless of the actual outcome.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#267122: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:28:21 PM

[up]. More and more, it looks like the end game here is to gather evidence for an indictment of trump and his associates.

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 14th 2019 at 1:29:58 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267123: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:28:41 PM

Mind you, that was more J. Edgar Hoover was not a friend to America.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#267124: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:32:10 PM

I highly doubt the Muller report is going to be the smoking gun many are hoping for. Based on everything we’ve seen so far I’m sure it’ll be damaging, but people are getting their hopes up way too much. What it should be useful for is dismantling Trump’s legacy once he’s out of office.

The less said about capital-R Resistance idiots on twitter making Muller themed children’s books the better.

[down] At this point that seems highly unlikely, barring some massive new revelation.

Edited by archonspeaks on Jan 14th 2019 at 10:37:04 AM

They should have sent a poet.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267125: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:34:09 PM

Honestly, I do think Trump could be arrested post-leaving office.

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