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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#267001: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:21:42 AM

Someone tie his shoes together,he can't run if he's falls over

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#267002: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:22:20 AM

Charles I described the UK system for you earlier, the bulletpoint version is that there’s voluntary labour while in jail (that pays and let’s them learn skills) and forced labour as part of community service (called community payback).

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#267003: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:22:52 AM

A lot will depend on who else will be competing against him. If it's against Biden he has more chances than against (say) Warren, Harris or O'Rourke. That's going by that item written by Nate Silver before.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#267004: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:37:54 AM

I wonder if he's actually learned anything from his defeat in 2016, or if he's still going to blame "DNC sabotage" or some bullshit like that.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#267005: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:39:37 AM

Or even worse, he runs as an independent third-party candidate, splitting the vote and letting the GOP win again.

At this point, he's become a pain in the ass. Better to just let him run in the primaries, get whacked and make him stay quiet this time.

There's just no way to win, sometimes.

I hold the secrets of the machine.
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#267006: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:46:26 AM

Dear god, if and when he loses prepare for the rigged primary conspiracies AGAIN. If Harris wins, add an extra dose of the racist “they just wanna pander to identity politics!”

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#267007: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:49:41 AM

Sanders has explicitly said that third party voting is useless and endorsed Hillary in 2016 and I don't see evidence this has changed. Seems more like excessive worry/bias to me.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#267008: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:50:06 AM

I'm actually expecting one of the skeletons in his closet to tumbling out,they always seem come out when they think about trying for the Presidency

Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 14th 2019 at 5:50:37 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267009: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:55:33 AM

Sanders campaigned heavily for Hillary, teeth clenched or not, even getting booed sometimes by his own people.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#267010: Jan 14th 2019 at 9:59:44 AM

Not to mention a lot of the online vitriol towards Clinton from alleged Sanders supporters turned out to be Russians.

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#267011: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:00:57 AM

Both the Sanders and Stein campaigns were heavily abetted by Russian troll farms, to the point where you couldn't tell which piece of propaganda was genuine.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#267012: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:01:43 AM

Some of them anyway,the bernie bros have a poor reputation for a reason

[up][up]

Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 14th 2019 at 6:01:59 PM

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#267013: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:02:25 AM

My brother was one of the conspiracy theorists, even voting for Jill Stein. I suspect he’ll do it again. We can’t ignore the factor.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#267014: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:28:54 AM

Sanders has explicitly said that third party voting is useless and endorsed Hillary in 2016 and I don't see evidence this has changed. Seems more like excessive worry/bias to me.

Yeah, I don't like Sanders but I don't think he would engage in that kind of awful temper tantrum.

I'm much more worried about him running, splitting the vote, and then leading to Bloomberg getting elected.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 14th 2019 at 1:29:14 PM

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A procrastination in of itself
#267015: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:42:27 AM

Keep in mind that Bloomberg could go third party, he threatened to do it in 2016 if Bernie got the nominee and might consider Warren or some others to be do extreme for his liking.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#267016: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:48:39 AM

Bloomberg, for all his faults, has consistently opposed Trump. I doubt he'd make a move that would all but guarantee his reelection.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#267017: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:53:41 AM

Isn't Bloomberg the guy that banned large sodas? I'd imagine he'd have a hard time getting anyone to vote for him.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#267018: Jan 14th 2019 at 10:54:24 AM

You know, since people are bringing up Russians again; how much did the Russian interference actually matter? The only quantitative estimate I've seen is by Nate Silver or linked by him, and it says that it was mostly a negligible amount/proportion of Tweets and social media posts and almost certainly had no actual effect on the elections. And that it is probably overhyped by news media eager to distract from their own overhyping of Hillary's emails. Anyone got corroborating or contesting evidence?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#267019: Jan 14th 2019 at 11:06:17 AM

Attorney General nominee says Mueller should be allowed to finish report

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/14/politics/william-barr-mueller/index.html

Trump backs off national emergency with no end to shutdown in sight

Over the weekend, White House aides and advisers said they were still unsure how the president planned to end the government shutdown.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/14/trump-on-declaring-national-emergency-im-not-looking-to-do-that-1098886

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 14th 2019 at 12:10:44 PM

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#267020: Jan 14th 2019 at 11:09:24 AM

@protagonist506

Yes. Well, he tried to, but I think it got overruled.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#267021: Jan 14th 2019 at 11:10:35 AM

Bloomberg, for all his faults, has consistently opposed Trump. I doubt he'd make a move that would all but guarantee his reelection.

Maybe, but the fact that he threatened it was bad enough.

That's just inexcusable, Sanders for all his flaws never threatened any such thing.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#267022: Jan 14th 2019 at 11:17:34 AM

[up][up][up][up] In various ways. The money alone which the funnelled into Trumps campaign over the NRA and other organisations isn't something you can just ignore. Especially not considering how narrow the win was.

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 14th 2019 at 11:18:01 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267023: Jan 14th 2019 at 12:09:20 PM

The Russian interference is pretty damning as they didn't have to move the meter much to change the election.

And Jill Stein wasn't Bernie.

She was outright a Third Party provocateur bought and paid for to disrupt the election. She should be in prison.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#267024: Jan 14th 2019 at 12:22:11 PM

No, I am not quite convinced that even within a close election such a small impact made a difference. Especially in the absence of numerical data. The NRA gets a lot of money, did it really make a lot from Russian connections.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#267025: Jan 14th 2019 at 12:30:47 PM

I think the scale of what actually was done is sometimes underestimated. Also, some of the implications are not entirely proven but indicate the entire election could have been fixed.

For example, Trump was heavily in cash-debt when Russian billionaires bought pieces of his property at an enormously inflated price that allowed him to get out of that.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-sold-40-million-estate-russian-oligarch-100-million-and-democratic-802613

And Jill Stein's half million votes could have made a difference.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 14th 2019 at 12:33:34 PM

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