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Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#266901: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:01:50 PM

Sanders being president would likely kill him. If you take it seriously, its one of the most stressful jobs on earth. Just look at what 8 years in the job did to Obama, and Sanders is obviously conscientious enough to work himself into a grave in that position. So, pretty important question for a Sanders candidacy is "And which VP?"

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#266902: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:02:21 PM

[up][up] The day Charles compliments Mitch Mc Connell is the day hell freezes over.

You know, the chunk Dante said wasn't already frozen.

>Primary

Anyway, I believe Biden and Harris are set to make announcements in the coming week or two. Their decisions will certainly be important to analyzing other candidate's chances.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Jan 13th 2019 at 5:02:32 AM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#266903: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:04:45 PM

Harris I know plans to make her announcement on MLK Day. Biden hasn't given an exact date, but some close to him have said it could be as early as Tuesday.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266904: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:06:52 PM

If Biden promises "Like Obama" it'll be a hard argument.

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#266905: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:07:15 PM

[up][up] MLK Day, huh? Anyone else think that's a little...disrespectful or something? It feels like its missing the point a bit to use it for boosting a Presidential campaign.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#266906: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:12:17 PM

They get more attention that way,at the expense of Martin Luthor King day

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#266907: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:12:45 PM

That ship sailed long, long ago.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#266908: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:14:05 PM

She is African American, and considering the age we live in, I'm pretty sure the symbolism is a big factor.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#266909: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:19:24 PM

Harris is black, so it’s different than if, say, Biden tried it.

That said, several of the black women I follow on Twitter are not fans of Harris.

This particular fact keeps making the rounds.

In 2014, she attempted to block the release of nonviolent second-strike offenders from overcrowded state prisons on the grounds that their paroling would result in prisons losing an important labor pool.

Uhhhhh.....

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#266910: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:22:55 PM

I almost forgot American prisons subject their prisoners to "labour" which is really just slavery,disturbing it's survived into the 21th century long after slavery was abolished

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#266911: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:26:02 PM

Sadly, using prisioners are free labor is a 14th amendment loophole.

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#266912: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:26:17 PM

What is Amy Klobuchar's record? As I hinted at when discussing Warren, as a 2018 overperformer in a swing state in the Rust Belt Klobuchar would be well positioned in a general election.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#266913: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:26:54 PM

Well...there is a case to be made for allowing labour in prison - if said labour is PAID and doesn't translate into undermining the competition.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#266914: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:26:54 PM

[up]x5 ...Freaking YIKES. On the MLK Day thing, fair enough, but it still doesn't sit too well with me.

She's not all that popular among the other Trans people I follow on Twitter either. Evidently she tried to deny Trans prisoners HRT while in prison or something like that. Which is...Not Good.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Jan 13th 2019 at 5:27:09 AM

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#266915: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:27:36 PM

Hey man, Faceless are actually useful! You can't make the best item in the game without them.

Eh, I never really use Mimic Beacons all that much. The Faceless is an annoying enemy that hides in the shadows until you get too close, or eliminate everyone else. Much like our hated politician. Oh, and their pointing animation takes ages to get through.

Edited by RainingMetal on Jan 13th 2019 at 5:28:44 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#266916: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:32:29 PM

I highly recommend watching the documentary 13th on Netflix; it explains in detail how slave labor is essentially legal in the context of jails and prisons. And it was/is deliberate.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#266917: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:48:15 PM

Looking at those twitter threads go me wonder - what exactly would all of your ideal candidates be?

Edited by LSBK on Jan 13th 2019 at 4:51:00 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266918: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:48:35 PM

Sadly, using prisioners are free labor is a 14th amendment loophole.

Criminals paying back society for their crimes is not something that's inherently a bad idea by doing labor for the public. It's just that it has become a for-profit industry that has a vested interest in forcing people to stay in prison as unpaid labor.

It's why private prisons should be made illegal and all labor only done for public works upkeep.

Then again, the US prison system is an onion of horrible shit that you need to fix thousands of things not just one or two or two hundred.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 13th 2019 at 2:49:39 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#266919: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:52:18 PM

Forcing people to work for free is still slavery, even if it’s just maintenance on public parks etc. Our entire system focuses on incarceration rather than rehabilitation, and we have to break that paradigm.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#266920: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:55:46 PM

Looking at that twitter thread go me wonder: what exactly would all of your ideal candidates be?

For me:

1. They should support Medicare for All, our healthcare system is in dire need of reform and merely expanding the ACA is just a bandaid at this point. It's not worthless but if we allow the healthcare industry to continue to exist then they'll always agitate to come back, we need to remove them completely. It's viable policy and popular too, if not now then when?

2. Non-Isolationism, the world is inherently inter-connected so standing back and doing nothing out of some dogmatic rejection of interventionism is not only morally cowardly but also strategically foolish. America has the power to be a force of good and it should be.

3. Strong focus on Climate Change, it is a very serious threat to humanity as a whole and our nation's strategic interests. Therefore any candidate for President should treat it as a high priority issue.

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#266921: Jan 13th 2019 at 3:08:31 PM

@tclittle Prison labor isn't a loophole per se, as the 14th Amendment very deliberately points it out as something that is legal. Ergo, the concept is actually very much within the spirit of the 14th. Perhaps less so the idea of making laws to make an industry out of it, though even that not necessarily.

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#266922: Jan 13th 2019 at 3:16:29 PM

Looking at those twitter threads go me wonder - what exactly would all of your ideal candidates be?

One that isn't a blatant asshole to innocent people.

Edited by RainingMetal on Jan 13th 2019 at 6:16:55 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266923: Jan 13th 2019 at 3:21:12 PM

Forcing people to work for free is still slavery, even if it’s just maintenance on public parks etc. Our entire system focuses on incarceration rather than rehabilitation, and we have to break that paradigm.

No, forcing people to work for free is forced labor. Slavery is owning someone.

If you burn someone's house down and are forced to rebuild it, I draw a difference between that and being able to kill or rape you at will.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 13th 2019 at 3:22:10 AM

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#266924: Jan 13th 2019 at 3:27:02 PM

Looking at those twitter threads go me wonder - what exactly would all of your ideal candidates be?

Lets see, what would I like...?

First and foremost: An ideal candidate should take an Intersectional approach to Civil Rights. Standing against bigotry of all forms is a must, and recognizing the connections and differences in each movement is vital.

On economics, things like Medicare for All are a good start. I'm personally up for something like the proposed Green New Deal, although I'd like more specifics before fully committing to that one. Essentially, more public programs and spending, and higher taxes on the wealthy would be a great start on funding them, if not necessarily the only way to do so.

On foreign policy, someone who is not isolationist, but less willing to start bombing people. Ending drone strikes on civilian targets is important, for instance. I don't necessarily oppose helping groups (like the Kurds) out of hand, though I'd really like us to scale back our involvement.

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#266925: Jan 13th 2019 at 3:30:06 PM

@ Fourthspartan 56

I hope you mean that in a multilateral way, because one of the problems is that the USA is percieved as being unilateral in their interventions: it's either their way or no way at all.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.

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