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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#266776: Jan 12th 2019 at 3:43:37 PM

Even they knew they couldn't have the answers to things in the future. That's the whole point of having a clause in the Constitution for amendments.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#266777: Jan 12th 2019 at 3:44:08 PM

Political parties arent even in the Constitution, so you dont need to change anything in it to get another system.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#266778: Jan 12th 2019 at 3:47:46 PM

Personally, I like the term “Framers” rather than “Founding Fathers”. It more accurately describes their place in history, and is less romanticized.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#266779: Jan 12th 2019 at 3:52:05 PM

It's probably more accurate to describe the ones who came over on the Mayflower as the founding fathers,rather then those who declared independence though I realise how heavily contentious this point is

Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:52:46 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#266780: Jan 12th 2019 at 3:54:32 PM

Meh. They’re the first invaders, but the concept of America as a nation doesn’t really start until the 1770s/1780s.

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#266781: Jan 12th 2019 at 3:55:38 PM

The problem with Sanders refusing to work with the Democratic Party proper isn't because the Democratic Party itself is an unassailable bastion of truth and justice that all good people must devote themselves to in all things. The problem I have with it is that he's benefitting from the institution while refusing to give back to the institution — in fact, while demonizing the institution and benefitting from that as well. I don't like what that says about him, as a person or as a politician.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#266782: Jan 12th 2019 at 4:03:30 PM

Well, that may have more to do with party rules and regulations than anything else. If he is abiding by their rules, then he is, and that's all he really owes them. If that's a problem, it's up to the Party to refine it's standards and criteria.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#266783: Jan 12th 2019 at 4:14:17 PM

I can at least why they didn't adopt a parliamentary system and opted for a congress instead,what batter way to stick it to the country your breaking away from then to form your own system?Though perhaps they overlooked the flaws that would arise in such system because they genuinely believed it had to be better then one they were opposed to,especially since the monarchy still played a role in such a system

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Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#266784: Jan 12th 2019 at 4:25:56 PM

"I remember her row with the Native Heritage and the DNA test and that wasn't her most shining hour."

I think she was darned right in shutting that pseudo-birther nonsense down. Trump brought it up once more after and then stopped. At least he didn't claim he ended the controversy.

"Obama's policies didn't do enough to stop the explosion of wealth disparity" is a very different claim [than saying they did nothing], and pretending that they're not is disingenuous."

That wasn't what I meant to do. Sorry for not communicating clearly. I thought this was implied by me not challenging your point, seeing as it was damn solid. Let me be clear: my original statement was flatly wrong, inaccurate, false, and erroneous.

"It's not very effective..." is not the same as a No-Sell. Something is a damn sight better than nothing when it comes to helping the helpless. I forget, given the sheer number of heads this Hydra managed to grow, that some of them are in fact littering the ground as a result of a mighty tough fight, and that some victims were saved and some time was bought.

Though Obama's ACA did a lot to stop some of the worst injustices of the system, they have been and remain very far from beginning to close the gap. The middle class is still going extinct, the billionaire class is still thriving, and the working class still have to work two jobs just to pay rent and eat. The Problem has grown less than if should have, but, still, it has grown enormously, and the old measures clearly weren't close to being enough. We need to bury that Hydra under a landslide.

Which is why I hope Sanders doesn't run for POTUS. Warren is fine and not as divisive. I'm dumb struck at the sheer love or gate Bernie gets from each person, that guy is just bad news for people keeping a cool head on their shoulders. Given her background and trajectory, has incredible potential to yet grow into a better representative, while Sanders can only get worse.

However, I have a question to those who strongly dislike and mistrust him; if he were to win the nomination, would you grit your teeth and vote for him against Trump, or would you stay home?

Edited by Oruka on Jan 12th 2019 at 4:29:19 AM

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#266785: Jan 12th 2019 at 4:37:12 PM

I voted for Sanders in the primary, I still like him somewhat, but even I dont think he should run in 2020.

As for increasing wealth disparity, it was tax reform and deregulation that is causing the problem in the first place, and therefore it will take tax reform and reregulation to fix it.

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#266786: Jan 12th 2019 at 4:49:37 PM

There day is long past. Focusing on what they would want or would react to the problems of today are kind of missing the point.

Someone tell that to the judicial nuts who try to use that as the basis for their decisions.

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#266787: Jan 12th 2019 at 4:50:32 PM

I’d that I also realy don’t want to know who Sanders would pick for his VP, with Warren you’re probably looking at Castro (who I believe she actully taught) or someone connected to the establishment, but with Sanders it could easily be Gabbard.

I really don’t want the democrats to have their own Sarah Palin moment.

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#266788: Jan 12th 2019 at 4:52:24 PM

> I really don’t want the democrats to have their own Sarah Palin moment.

I was like "But they don't have a Sarah Palin figure in their party" and then I remembered Biden could come pretty close depending on how Gaff prone he is

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#266789: Jan 12th 2019 at 4:54:38 PM

Nah Biden has nothing on Gabbard, she’s a homophobic Tankie.

By Palin moment I mean a solid male presidential candidate sinking himself in part by picking a batshit crazy female VP candidate.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266790: Jan 12th 2019 at 4:55:53 PM

Random historical aside but one of the great American myths were the Founding Fathers were a united block. Yes, some of them were slave owners and racist scumbags. Others were incredibly progressive for their time and progressive for much of the next two centuries.

It's the compromise that was created which created a lot of the patchwork that would spillover into the Civil War.

A very different America might have existed (or might not have existed at all) if the anti-slavery founders had won.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#266791: Jan 12th 2019 at 4:57:50 PM

They would had to have written off the southern colonies as allies in the rebellion.

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Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#266792: Jan 12th 2019 at 4:57:57 PM

Biden's gaffes always seemed respectable to me, in a 'he's saying out loud the bad things about the bad people' way.

He could stand to be less kissy around women. He's no Roy Moore or Orange Prune, but he raises eyebrows that don't need raising.

[up]The movement's biggest leaders were all Virginian slavers, so that's that.

Edited by Oruka on Jan 12th 2019 at 5:01:09 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266793: Jan 12th 2019 at 5:00:23 PM

Possibly. On the other hand, they did actually get some Slave States to gradually abolish slavery Up North.

That might have worked for some.

Or maybe it wouldn't have.

Biden's gaffes always seemed respectable to me, in a 'he's saying out loud the bad things about the bad people' way.

Except for when he insisted that Obama was a well-educated articulate black man so we should pay attention to him.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 12th 2019 at 5:01:26 AM

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Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#266794: Jan 12th 2019 at 5:04:44 PM

Wow. That's one epic meal he made out of his feet right there. Obama won't shut up.about how much he loves Biden, though. I know the 'some of my best friends' defense is worse than useless, but Obama's endorsement must have some value, no?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266795: Jan 12th 2019 at 5:11:48 PM

Actually, it was (slightly) worse.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

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Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#266796: Jan 12th 2019 at 5:15:04 PM

Edited by Oruka on Jan 12th 2019 at 5:15:19 AM

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#266797: Jan 12th 2019 at 5:16:40 PM

For what it's worth, while the "I have black friends" argument doesn't work in the public eye (for various reasons, including being incredibly cliche and easy to lie about), it actually is a somewhat respectable defense on paper. Though it has to rely more on black people liking you rather than the other way around. If a large number of ethnic minorities know you well and like you, you're probably not terribly racist.

Having said that it's not a foolproof defense either. One good counter-argument is that not having any friends of different ethnicities does not mean one is racist necessarily.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266798: Jan 12th 2019 at 5:21:51 PM

Mind you, HP Lovecraft had a Jewish wife.

Who eventually got sick of the You Know I'm Black, Right? and divorced him.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#266799: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:30:44 PM

This made me grin.

Special counsel Robert Mueller is a big fish in the small pond of Washington, D.C. at the moment, but this summer, he’ll be a great white shark.

An anonymous donor to the nonprofit Atlantic White Shark Conservancy shelled out $2,500 to name a great white shark after Mueller, the investigator probing Russian interference in the 2016 election, said AWSC co-founder and CEO Cynthia Wigren.

The donation is one of a slew of contributions that shark-related charities reeled in after the publication of anti-shark comments by President Donald Trump in an interview with an adult film star. Trump reportedly told actress Stormy Daniels that he donates to various charities, but would “never” donate to any charity that helps sharks because he “hopes all the sharks die.”

The $2,500 donation level is the highest one listed on AWSC’s donation page and whoever gives that amount gets to name a shark. In this case, the donor at first inquired about naming the shark after Trump, but then changed their mind and requested that the sea creature be christened “Mueller,” Wigren said.

A sea pilot will fly over the Atlantic Ocean this June to spot a male great white shark, then a team of researchers from the Massachusetts Division of Marine Fisheries will tag the predator with a location tracker. The donor will be sent a photo of the animal. And anyone with a smartphone will be able to follow Mueller the shark as he cruises around the Atlantic with an app called Shark Tivity that tracks tagged sharks.

After Market Watch’s initial story on the increase in donations, both AWSC of Chatham, Mass. and Sea Shepherd Conservation Society of Burbank, Calif., fielded even more donations, their leaders told Market Watch. All told, AWSC has snagged more than 70 donations totaling nearly $6,000. The group’s annual budget is $800,000.

The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society has received donations from around the world, with contributions from Canada, the United Kingdom, Italy, Argentina, Japan — and Russia. Donors sent in their money with messages such as, “Trump made me do it” and “Sharks trump Trump,” said spokeswoman Zorianna Kit.

“January tends to be a slower month in the nonprofit world, but the attention this has brought to sharks and our efforts to defend, conserve and protect them has made January an entirely different month for us on the donation front,” Kit said. “In one day alone, we received more than three times the amount of donations as we normally would.”

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 12th 2019 at 9:31:11 AM

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#266800: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:33:36 PM

he “hopes all the sharks die.” 

Man, is there any stigmatized group Trump WON'T go after? Even goddamn sharks, those poor animals have suffered enough.


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