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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#266701: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:03:17 AM

It's a question of priority, a corrupt businessman with shady ties to foreign entities in New York is no way unusual but a corrupt politician with shady ties to foreign entities is a completely different ball game entirely.

They didn't have any reason to give him their attention before but they did now.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#266702: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:07:58 AM

Besides, "shady ties" are not a crime. The better part of all businesspeople in the US would be in jail if links to foreign countries and businesses were by itself a reason to suspicion.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#266703: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:08:40 AM

That too.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#266704: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:11:03 AM

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone not up to shady shit in Russia from the 90s to the early 2000s. That shit was just a complete mess.

Oh really when?
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#266705: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:28:11 AM

Qanon-Believing Proud Boy Accused of Murdering ‘Lizard’ Brother With Sword

Wolfe described himself on social media as an avid consumer of other conspiracy theory content. In one comment, Wolfe said he had watched “damn near every episode” of Alex Jones’s Info Wars conspiracy theory show.

This is your brain in alt-right bullshit

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#266706: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:37:21 AM

[up]xLast Page:

people should get paid the full value of their work and get a say in what their work is for.

See, this isn't Capitalism though. Usually anarchists mean this in the sense of "getting rid of company hierarchies" and workers collectives and the such, not so much a Capitalist framework.

But I digress. Its rather off-topic, too.

>Alt-Right

And this is the result of 'media outlets' like Jones' constantly inciting hate. People will eventually act on it, with fatal results for the people surrounding them. I'm honestly surprised we don't get more of these kinds of stories, all things considered.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#266707: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:38:37 AM

[up][up] Seriously, what the fuck did I just read?

Edited by TechPriest90 on Jan 12th 2019 at 12:38:47 PM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#266708: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:39:49 AM

Meh, fascist and reactionary ideologies are inherently murderous especially when you factor in the ever-present conspiracy theories and the mental imbalances of some of their members.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266709: Jan 12th 2019 at 10:06:33 AM

The only thing that seemed unusual to me was the sword part.

Everything else was not a surprise.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#266710: Jan 12th 2019 at 10:23:14 AM

Can they charge Alex Jones with the crime too since he inspired him?

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#266711: Jan 12th 2019 at 10:28:03 AM

No, sadly.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266712: Jan 12th 2019 at 10:37:14 AM

[sigh]

I used to like Alex Jones. He was entertaining as shit when I assumed we were all in on the joke.

“I’m a proud Western chauvinist and I refuse to apologize for creating the modern world,” one post from February reads, before referencing the Proud Boys’ slogan. “Uhuru!!!”

....

Okay, damn, I'm with you that this article is just one WTF after another.

I should also mention I thought they were saying Uhura from Star Trek.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 12th 2019 at 10:39:34 AM

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#266713: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:04:31 AM

With regards to Bernie, I honestly think the question of whether he should be even be permitted to enter the Democratic Primary is a blunt no regardless of his merits and here's why:

Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat.

He's not! He ran in 2016 on the promise that he'd totes change over from Independent to Democrat later, but he never did. Two years later, Sanders is still not a Democrat.

Sanders doesn't want to be one of us. He wants to dictate to us. To count himself as above us, different from us, better than us, but to also issue commands as to how we must be run. Until such a time as he deigns to register himself as a Democrat, his merits don't even matter.

If Donald Trump in 2020 threw his name in the hat for the Democratic Primaries, would we entertain the notion? If you aren't a Democrat, you shouldn't be eligible for the Democratic nomination. This feels like one of those Air Bud rules where it's so goddamn obvious that nobody ever bothered actually making a rule saying that only Democrats could be given the Democratic Party's nomination.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 12th 2019 at 12:05:32 PM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#266715: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:10:32 AM

With regards to Bernie, I honestly think the question of whether he should be even be permitted to enter the Democratic Primary is a blunt no regardless of his merits and here's why:

Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat.

He's not! He ran in 2016 on the promise that he'd totes change over from Independent to Democrat later, but he never did. Two years later, Sanders is still not a Democrat.

Sanders doesn't want to be one of us. He wants to dictate to us. To count himself as above us, different from us, better than us, but to also issue commands as to how we must be run. Until such a time as he deigns to register himself as a Democrat, his merits don't even matter.

If Donald Trump in 2020 threw his name in the hat for the Democratic Primaries, would we entertain the notion? If you aren't a Democrat, you shouldn't be eligible for the Democratic nomination. This feels like one of those Air Bud rules where it's so goddamn obvious that nobody ever bothered actually making a rule saying that only Democrats could be given the Democratic Party's nomination.

I am incredibly sympathetic to this argument but I don't think it would be worth it.

Sanders' refusal to become a Democrat is symbolic of his annoying insistence to be generally contrarian but it's just that, a symbol and not even an important one at that. Changing the rules so that he could only run if he signed up as a Democrat while Just would be the metaphorical equivalent of kicking the hornet's nest, it would cause massive amounts of disorder for very little gain.

I strongly dislike Sander's refusal to become a Democrat but this isn't a good idea as lovely as it would be.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 12th 2019 at 2:10:45 PM

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#266716: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:14:22 AM

And a quick Wikipedia search shows that he was a Democrat during his Presidential campaign.

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Edited by AzurePaladin on Jan 12th 2019 at 2:32:19 PM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#266717: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:30:43 AM

He registered as a Democrat during the primaries, then went back to no party affiliation after he lost.

Sanders has made a 30-year political career on being an "outsider" by not being a registered Democrat... but using their political machinery when doing so benefits him. He knew that an independent presidential run was doomed, so he officially joined as a Democrat in order to gain the party's support, and then bailed on that as soon as he could.

This is shameless, cynical political maneuvering that maximizes his own personal benefit while doing nothing to help anyone else. It allows him to benefit from his association with the Democratic party while preventing them from benefiting from his support in return.

If you want to be a Democrat, be a Democrat. If you want to be independent, be independent. But don't trumpet your cred as an independent while using the Democratic party's political infrastructure to your benefit and offering nothing in return.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#266718: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:46:02 AM

[up] Yeah. It’s deeply annoying.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266719: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:49:24 AM

Bernie is a guy I agree with on a lot of things and believe has done well in bringing the Democratic Party left.

Yes, he's independent usually but a party machine should not dictate your personal politics.

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#266720: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:52:56 AM

Thats kinda like saying its okay not wanting to pay Cable because you may have different tastes in TV Shows than your cable watching Neighbours, but still expecting to get invited to Super Bowl.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266721: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:59:11 AM

The Democrat voters are the people who should matter, though. Which if Bernie had won the primary, would have decided whether he was their candidate or not.

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KamonTheSkunk The Little Stinker Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Little Stinker
#266722: Jan 12th 2019 at 12:00:38 PM

I was never very fond of Bernie, even back in the 2016 elections. Mostly because the ideas and plans he had were borderline unrealistic unless everything was controlled by the right party. And we have people that think he should run in 2020 despite this and despite his age. And I've heard others say that Biden shouldn't run for the same reasons, but at least Biden is younger than Bernie, even if it's not by much. Hell, Trump is the oldest person to win the presidency.

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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#266723: Jan 12th 2019 at 12:13:08 PM

[up][up]And they decided not, he reneged on his promise to *stay* Democrat and now 4 years later the Democrat Party should once again spend money on him in any way if he wants to run?

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#266724: Jan 12th 2019 at 12:14:35 PM

I was ride or die for Bernie in 2016 but I always thought he had some flaws. Now, I just want him to go away.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#266725: Jan 12th 2019 at 12:15:01 PM

For what I see, Berine seen to be on the idea it was the dems who finally open to him and their lost as proe they didnt so he bail out.

So is ether a oportunist or too dogmatic for the rest.

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