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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
You can argue that any one thing didn't change the results of the election in and of itself. That's the point, it's not down to just one easily identifiable factor, and especially not the one you're using.
Yeah, bud? I did 20-40 hours a week volunteering for Bernie in the primaries. Clinton still wrecked him because his campaign was badly managed and he completely wrote off the South. Hillary won the general by 3 million votes. So cut it out with the “Bernie coulda won everyone hates Hillary” crap.
As for the racism thing? Yeah, no, we’re not giving him passes. He constantly deflects on racial issues and acts like fixing economic issues will make systemic racism go away too. And that Gillum incident?
If you’re uncomfortable about voting for someone for the sole reason that they’re black, that’s goddamn racist. We’re not mollycoddling white people in 2019.
Ignoring my entire post to complain about the term Bernie bro does not productively add to the conversation.
Edited by wisewillow on Jan 11th 2019 at 10:40:13 AM
someone already had called me a bernie bro, and yeah the connotation is pretty fucking clear. it's great that this thread's decided to adopt a term that just utterly erases the work that minorities have done for bernie's campaign, not to mention it's a term that delegitimizes actual criticism of hillary clinton.
and speaking of clintons, if you want a huge piece of proof that neoliberalism isnt some political theory on the fringes, bill clinton was a proponent of moderate leftist neoliberalism, what with the dismantling of socialist policies implemented under FDR and NAFTA. schumer and pelosi have supported clinton-era economic policies since the start.
"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life""I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American."
If that makes them uncomfortable, they're racist garbage, end of story.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."There was also his legendary advice to a young aspiring politician lady who asked him for advice. His response was something to the tone of "Don't just run on being a woman! Run on having actual policies!" As if there's this epidemic of women who get elected on nothing but their gender.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Bernie Sanders is the White Progressive candidate, laser-focused on making "ordinary Americans" (in contrast to minorities, because apparently we're fucking aliens or something) while telling those same minorities "We'll get to you."
Are you seriously trying to pull some "he has X friends" shit here? Cause that's what that sounds like.
So minorities worked on his campaign. Peachy. That doesn't change that they are clearly less important than their white colleagues in his eyes.
Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jan 11th 2019 at 10:40:12 AM
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If they didn't want to vote for an African American because they're an African-American, they're a racist. It's literally a case of 'I'm not a racist, but..."
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That's the interesting part actually. A lot of whites are actually pretty ok with government welfare policies (I believe one of them was quoted as saying "Well if they're there, why not use them?"). However the instant minorities (especially black people) stand to benefit from those policies, suddenly they are terrible and minorities are mooching off the government, have a cultural problem, etc.
Even Obama has gone on record criticizing this attitude after his presidency.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Jan 11th 2019 at 11:39:47 AM
After telling yourself for years that you're not racist, that you support civil rights and that you're a Progressive Of Awesome... it can get a bit uncomfortable when you discover you can't find it in yourself to vote for the black guy because he's black.
Because guess what that says about the underlying beliefs you convinced yourself you didn't have? Yup: unconscious racism you refuse to deal with consciously once it hits you that you have it... is still being racist.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Jan 11th 2019 at 3:40:26 PM
i'm not trying to pull some black best friend bullshit. the concept of a bernie bro is some angry cishet white male who lets out his misogynistic fury on hillary clinton, completely erasing the actual diversity of his fans. as a transwoman myself it feels condescending to have people tell me that i'm just a "bernie bro"
"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"jesus christ i'm saying that the term, no matter what intentions, is inherently minority erasure. am i saying that you guys are being specifically bigoted? no, i'm just saying to stop using the phrase cause of its implications.
"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"

We're talking margins of a percentage point.
Any single cause is arguably enough to have pushed the election over to Trump (less so the house and senate, but I can't remember the 2016 margins there). You can't just dismiss foreign interference to focus on whatever about Hillary seems bad at any point in time.
1) Citation needed.
2) That doesn't make them neoliberal.
Again: use the word right or don't use it at all.
Edited by RainehDaze on Jan 11th 2019 at 3:28:45 PM