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SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#266301: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:02:08 PM

Well, isn't this just rich...

Gabbard accuses Hirono, Democratic colleagues of religious bigotry.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#266302: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:04:15 PM

I mean, more to point is that it would be political suicide for Pelosi and Schumer to give him the Wall. It's the kind of thing the rest of the party might revolt over, even. So appeasing Trump isn't really an option that's on the table for them.

Edited by Gilphon on Jan 9th 2019 at 11:05:01 AM

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#266303: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:04:59 PM

Gabbard going to bat for the poor oppressed American Christians, I see.

It's been fun.
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#266304: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:05:31 PM

[up][up][up]This tends to confirm my suspicion that Gabbard is a jackass. Pun intended.

Edited by wisewillow on Jan 9th 2019 at 11:05:43 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266305: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:08:32 PM

Not the least bit surprised. I've been pretty open about my contempt for Gabbard in this thread for a while. I didn't really need or even want further vindication of my opinion of her, but here it is.

Edited by M84 on Jan 10th 2019 at 12:08:56 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#266306: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:08:58 PM

I don't think most donkeys are so nakedly opportunistic.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266308: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:18:35 PM

Gabbard is just a terrible human being. Bigoted, hypocritical, opportunistic...the only reason she's not a Republican is because that's a non-starter in Hawaii. She doesn't care about anything but her own political career.

Edited by M84 on Jan 10th 2019 at 12:19:07 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#266309: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:28:09 PM

Bernie being all buddy buddy with her was honestly a big red flag to me in 2016.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#266310: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:30:02 PM

So why is she apparently viewed as a golden girl by certain "progressive" segments then? Was it just her supporting Sanders or something?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266311: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:31:34 PM

[up]That and she's pretty outspoken about defying "establishment" Democratic Party members like Pelosi. She loves pandering to "anti-establishment" folk for political points.

Why else do you think she was the only one besides Ocasio-Cortez and Ro Khanna to vote against Paygo when even most other progressives decided it wasn't a hill to die on?

Edited by M84 on Jan 10th 2019 at 12:32:14 AM

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#266312: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:31:57 PM

[up][up] "Because evil establishment Democrats", I think.

EDIT: [nja]'d

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jan 9th 2019 at 5:32:13 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#266313: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:36:07 PM

It’s almost hilarious how much better AOC’s judgment is thus far compared to Gabbard’s. And I’m willing to bet Gabbard is real pissed that AOC is THE progressive darling.

Edited by wisewillow on Jan 9th 2019 at 11:43:20 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266314: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:37:37 PM

Still not entirely sold on Ocasio-Cortez, but she does seem to actually have principles and sticks by them. As opposed to being a soulless opportunist like Gabbard.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#266315: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:39:15 PM

[up][up][up][up] To be fair, PAYGO wasn't exactly popular among the Progressive bloc even for the ones that did vote for it, due to it essentially acting as a form of austerity.

It being better than CUTGO does not necessarily a great plan make.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Jan 9th 2019 at 11:39:52 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266316: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:41:36 PM

[up]But most of them were at least pragmatic enough to realize it wasn't worth a fight.

Ocasio-Cortez and Ro Khanna opposed it out of principle. Gabbard opposed it because she never lets an opportunity to look like an anti-establishment figure go.

Edited by M84 on Jan 10th 2019 at 12:41:51 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#266317: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:41:48 PM

[up][up]Yeah, even a broken clock is right twice a day. And just because Gabbard is trash doesn't mean that she's wrong in this case, though I doubt her vote had anything to do with good policy and everything to do with ingratiating herself with anti-establishment factions.

Edit: Heh, [nja]

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 9th 2019 at 11:42:03 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#266318: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:43:30 PM

I was also referring to AOC not pointlessly throwing dirt in her colleagues’ faces a la Tulsi.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#266319: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:44:39 PM

[up][up][up], [up][up] Oh, I wasn't trying to defend Gabbard. My opinion of her is about as negative as yours. I was more registering my discontent with PAYGO being the reason to dislike her. There are far better reasons to, like the one that started this conversation.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Jan 9th 2019 at 11:44:50 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266320: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:47:23 PM

When did I ever say I supported Paygo? I brought it up because it was (up until now) the most recent example of Gabbard being an opportunistic faux-progressive.

Personally I think Paygo was just something that was done to appease people who actually seem to care about "fiscal conservatism". Remember that a number of House seats were apparently won by candidates who pointed out the GOP's hypocrisy on this issue.

Edited by M84 on Jan 10th 2019 at 12:49:23 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#266321: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:49:46 PM

Oh, I wasn't trying to defend Gabbard. My opinion of her is about as negative as yours. I was more registering my discontent with PAYGO being the reason to dislike her. There are far better reasons to, like the one that started this conversation.

Certainly, I wasn't trying to suggest otherwise. Just adding on to your point.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#266322: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:51:17 PM

Why else do you think she was the only one besides Ocasio-Cortez and Ro Khanna to vote against Paygo when even most other progressives decided it wasn't a hill to die on?

I interpreted this as an example of her doing something you disapproved of and therefor as a mark against her. If I misinterpereted, that's on me. Apologies.

[down] I don't think anyone here was comparing the two, though.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Jan 9th 2019 at 12:19:35 PM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#266323: Jan 9th 2019 at 9:15:46 PM

Until (re: likely never) AOC reveals a record of religious and homophobic bigotry, links to violent extremists, and outright taking the side of fucking Assad and blaming his victims....she isn't even on the same dimensional plane that Gabbard is.

How the bluest state in the union continues to elect such a repugnant and reactionary individual is beyond me.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266324: Jan 9th 2019 at 9:20:08 PM

[up]Her district apparently is full of people who buy into her faux-progressive bullshit.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#266325: Jan 10th 2019 at 5:47:15 AM

Still not entirely sold on Ocasio-Cortez, but she does seem to actually have principles and sticks by them. As opposed to being a soulless opportunist like Gabbard.

You shouldn't be. Principles don't mix very well with the practical realities of politics, which is why the "new American left" that emerged in the wake of Donald Trump's victory is going to go down in flames. Contrary to the wishful thinking on the left, empirical evidence indicates that the outcome of left wing populists coming to power is not significantly better than their right wing counterparts. Their ideals are considerably less abhorrent in my eyes, but the fact remains that they're more or less equally corrosive to democratic institutions.


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