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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266176: Jan 8th 2019 at 8:11:13 PM

$5 billion wouldn't be nearly enough to build the wall.

Unless it's a really shitty one. Which would be in line with the rest of Trump's projects.

Edited by M84 on Jan 9th 2019 at 12:12:01 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266177: Jan 8th 2019 at 8:14:10 PM

It depends on how long it's supposed to be.

The thing is, the Wall doesn't have to be big. It just has to have enough of it in existence to say Trump did it and "won."

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#266178: Jan 8th 2019 at 8:17:50 PM

But it have to be big enough for Trumps ego....and that is the problem.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
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#266179: Jan 8th 2019 at 8:25:00 PM

I must object to the Maginot Line comparison. The Maginot Line worked. A series of armed forts are actually remarkably good at stopping people from going across at that point, even if they have an army.

It's just that going through Belgian forests with tanks was not something taken into account. [lol]

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266180: Jan 8th 2019 at 8:30:14 PM

They thought the Ardennes Forest would be enough to stop or at least slow down German tanks.

They were wrong.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#266181: Jan 8th 2019 at 8:36:29 PM

Did I miss Pelosi?

i'm tired, my friend
TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#266182: Jan 8th 2019 at 8:45:24 PM

[up]She and Schumer spoke pretty much immediately after Trump.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#266183: Jan 8th 2019 at 8:47:39 PM

From what I hear the presentation was fairly poor, still, I really like the "we don't govern by temper tantrum" phrase. Really drives home how farcical and unnecessary this shutdown is.

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#266184: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:14:38 PM

So, it appears that the Trump Administration isn't learning anything from this shutdown; instead of demanding less, they're actively demanding more. According to Vice President Mike Pence, not only is $5.7 billion for the Wall still a necessity, they now also need $563 million for 75 additional immigration judges, $211 million to hire 750 additional Border Patrol agents, $571 million for 2,000 additional law enforcement personnel, $4.2 billion for 52,000 detention beds, $800 million for Humanitarian needs, and $675 million for technology to detect weapons and drugs at the border. Without these things, Trump will not agree to end the Shut Down.

The fact that the beds will cost almost as much as the freakin' wall is very odd to me; unless the Beds are of the highest quality, why would 50k beds cost as much as 250 Miles of Steel Beams?

It looks like we are going to be in this for the long haul; Trump is only demanding more from this shut down, not less. At least he hasn't declared a 'National Crises at the Border' yet...

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266185: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:17:18 PM

I hope people understand that Trump fully intends to give the money to associates as well. The people gathering at the "Wall Zone" in anticipation of building are all Trump supporters and associates.

So, this is an issue of money not ideology and why he won't break.

Again - there needs to be another strategy than "wait until the Republicans fold."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 8th 2019 at 9:17:44 AM

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#266186: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:17:42 PM

They’re just vastly underestimating the cost of the wall.

Aparently the federal government has now failed to pay its water bill to DC meaning DC has the right to shut the water off to the federal buildings, including the White House.

Oh and I know it was a bit ago, but everyone did catch Trump defending the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan a few days ago, right?

Edited by Silasw on Jan 8th 2019 at 5:18:12 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266187: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:18:12 PM

Soviets are white.

So no surprise there.

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#266188: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:21:58 PM

[up][up] Trump defending Russia's blatant Imperialism? Color me surprised...

Anyway, did I miss anything major? Checking back, there seems to be no declared National Emergency, but is there anything else people who didn't watch the broadcast need to know?

Edit: The full thing is online, I can check there. Sorry for the bother!

Edited by AzurePaladin on Jan 8th 2019 at 12:23:35 PM

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TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#266189: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:23:54 PM

[up][up][up]I think they'd have to miss two payments for that to happen. Though it would be hilarious to see a truck drive up to the White House gate and hang a shutoff notice on it.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266190: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:28:07 PM

The moment the shutdown somehow inconveniences him in anyway, Trump will cave. Then he'll frame it as him being generous and fair while whining about how "selfish" the Democratic Party was.

Probably when he can't get his daily taco bowl or Big Mac.

Edited by M84 on Jan 9th 2019 at 1:29:03 AM

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#266191: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:30:55 PM

[up] Oh, something bad will happen long before that that will draw his attention. My vote is on airport closures due to short staff, or issues with tax implementation.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Jan 8th 2019 at 12:31:14 PM

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#266192: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:33:06 PM

4.2 billion for 52,000 beds?

4,200,000,000/50,000 = 84,000.

Excuse me? What are you building these beds out of, mahogany, gemstones, and gold leaf?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266193: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:36:45 PM

They're probably shitty cots or something. Most of the money is going to line the pockets of Trumps' contractor cronies.

[up][up]Oh, definitely. But he won't care.

Edited by M84 on Jan 9th 2019 at 1:38:02 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#266194: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:39:18 PM

" and I know it was a bit ago, but everyone did catch Trump defending the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan a few days ago, right?"

Rachel Maddow did a segment about that on her show. Apparently Russia is in the process of justifying the invasion of Afghanistan. This is the third time Trump has randomly said something that just happens to coincide with Russian talking points.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#266195: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:44:07 PM

Oh, corruption is assumed.

But stating a number for a bed that comes to more than a new car raises many questions.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#266196: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:48:25 PM

So the president of US defend the SOVIETS?

truly we are living in intersting times.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#266197: Jan 8th 2019 at 9:59:24 PM

Beds might also include other basic amenities linked to detention; but I'm not inclined to give the Orange House any benefit of the doubt.

Assume graft until given proof to the contrary.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#266198: Jan 8th 2019 at 10:04:02 PM

[up][up] Kinda. Putin if I recall has been citing Soviet conflicts as a sort of Russian nationalism. So he's not praising the Soviets per say: he's celebrating Russian (technically Soviet, but the Soviets are still rightfully seen as a largely Russian nation) military adventurism and imperialism.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Jan 8th 2019 at 1:04:22 PM

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#266199: Jan 8th 2019 at 10:07:01 PM

There is a pretty huge amount of graft involved if a bed and associated costs for one non-dangerous person over some undisclosed period of time considerably exceed the median wage.

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#266200: Jan 8th 2019 at 10:14:51 PM

Pretty sure even just 10k would cover decent detention conditions. This is just a cartoonishly bad attempt at graft. They're not even trying to hide it.


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