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singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#266051: Jan 7th 2019 at 3:51:31 PM

On the other hand, the headlines write themselves. What the administration prioritizes demonstrates it's priorities. So, tax rebates before feeding America's starving population. That's one to keep for 2020.

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#266052: Jan 7th 2019 at 3:51:42 PM

[up][up][up]Mother of God. That's a great plot for a Real-Person Fic.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#266053: Jan 7th 2019 at 4:42:41 PM

He could certainly try to declare a national emergency. What would happen after that is anyone's guess.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#266054: Jan 7th 2019 at 5:04:15 PM

What would the state of emergency even be? "We're in a crisis because I shut down the government?"

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#266055: Jan 7th 2019 at 5:28:50 PM

[up] He'll probably try to pin it on the Democrats somehow, knowing him. Question is, will it stick? And can he even do it anyway?

From what I can see, it's a no on both counts.

I hold the secrets of the machine.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#266056: Jan 7th 2019 at 5:54:56 PM

He'll likely use the "wave" of "criminal and violent illegals and their drugs" as the emergency in question. Whether or not the courts accept that is still in question.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#266057: Jan 7th 2019 at 6:17:48 PM

I've seen that referenced a few times. Is there any grain of truth to that, or did he just make it up outright? I'm guessing the latter, but I'm trying to check my bias.

There's no way it's enough to declare a state of emergency, of course. There have been times when American cities were basically bought outright by criminals and no emergency was declared.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#266058: Jan 7th 2019 at 6:18:29 PM

White House Directs IRS to Issue Tax Refunds, Narrowly Averting Bag Security-Related Backlash.

Let me see if I'm getting this straight: Trump is trying to make the shutdown seem like it's not a big deal with this move...but he's still screwed it up? Can the Democrats still use this to their advantage?

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266059: Jan 7th 2019 at 6:23:31 PM

Forcing people to work without paying them...

That's a bit close to...what's the word I'm looking for?

Disgusted, but not surprised
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#266060: Jan 7th 2019 at 6:24:12 PM

[up]x2 I actually posted something about this earlier, but I had no idea they were doing it in a very cruel (and potentially illegal) method. I also didn't know that Trump was already circumventing the Shutdown with shady (and again, potentially illegal) methods. Essentially, Trump is a)defanging the Shutdown (so why would Democrats want to re-open it if everything necessary is going to run through a shut down anyways?) and b)already acting like he has 'national disaster authority'.

[up] The words you're looking for are "Unpaid Internship"... Also known as "Slavery".

I hope that lawsuit that the Federal Workers demanding pay through this specific shutdown succeed. Federal Workers, even those deemed 'unessential' should be paid, regardless of the status of the Government (personally, I'd rather it be impossible to shutdown the Government, but still).

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Jan 7th 2019 at 9:26:02 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#266061: Jan 7th 2019 at 6:29:14 PM

> That's a bit close to...what's the word I'm looking for?

I dont know,I know it rymes with aviary

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#266062: Jan 7th 2019 at 6:32:39 PM

They can get away with it by promising to pay them later.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266063: Jan 7th 2019 at 6:33:15 PM

Jam to-morrow and jam yesterday – but never jam to-day.

Edited by M84 on Jan 7th 2019 at 10:33:58 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#266064: Jan 7th 2019 at 7:13:10 PM

“I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”

This, after all, is one of many towns across the country where private industries are few and the federal government is intimately connected to livelihoods. Wedged near the border with Alabama and Georgia, Marianna’s 7,000 residents depend on the federal medium-security prison to employ nearly 300 people in good-paying jobs with attractive benefits. (The prison once housed Lynette Fromme — a Charles Manson disciple, known as Squeaky, who tried to assassinate former President Gerald Ford — as well as members of a spy ring known as the Cuban Five.)

And the prison isn’t the only federal benefactor. The United States Department of Agriculture provides crucial assistance to farmers, many of whom plant cotton or peanuts or raise cattle.

“The U.S. Department of Agriculture office is currently closed, due to the lapse in federal government funding,” read a printout taped to the door of a local U.S.D.A. office on Friday. “The office will reopen once funding is restored.”

The phone rang occasionally in the office next door. A federal worker who was working without pay patiently explained to frustrated callers that no, she could not connect them to the person they needed to talk to, because that employee was furloughed for the shutdown. Mr. Dean recently received a letter from the Bureau of Prisons assuring city officials that the bureau would pay its utility bills, though the payments might be slow to arrive.

But prison workers were facing trouble even before the partial government shutdown. At least two-thirds of the Marianna staff members sustained hurricane damage to their homes, according to prison managers. The local prison officers’ union estimated that 10 percent of its affected members experienced total property losses.

Charles Jones, 32, a corrections officer and vice president of the union, said he and his wife were expecting their first child next month. “Because of the storm, I’ve already had to defer a payment here and there for my car,” he said. “Those are the basic things that we’re trying to do.”

Robert Richards, 33, returned from a monthlong stint in Mississippi the day after the shutdown began. He said he was owed about $2,500 in expenses. “We’re tired of being put in the middle,” he said.

“I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” she said of Mr. Trump. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”

Well at least they're finally admitting it out loud.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266065: Jan 7th 2019 at 7:31:04 PM

And who exactly are the people Mrs. Minton thinks Trump needs to be hurting?

Depending on the answer, my sympathy for her may be somewhat limited to playing a tiny violin.

Disgusted, but not surprised
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#266066: Jan 7th 2019 at 7:34:11 PM

[up] Based on what other people are saying in that article I doubt the answer will be good.

They should have sent a poet.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#266067: Jan 7th 2019 at 7:37:43 PM

Yeah, that was my thought too. Welp...

Disgusted, but not surprised
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#266068: Jan 7th 2019 at 7:39:33 PM

It's almost like the purpose of government should be to govern instead of hurt people.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#266069: Jan 7th 2019 at 7:54:15 PM

@Discar: To be fair, governing, almost by definition, is selectively hurting people. Any law, edict, etc any government makes ultimately has a long series of footnotes which end in "or we'll hurt (and possibly kill) you".

Edited by Protagonist506 on Jan 7th 2019 at 7:54:34 AM

Leviticus 19:34
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#266070: Jan 7th 2019 at 7:56:38 PM

That reminds me of a post I read on a different board about Trump from a disgruntled Trump voter (and I'm paraphrasing a bit here):

It's good that he's making all the people I don't like mad, but I don't know what to do now that I'm mad.

So yeah, get out that violin.

i'm tired, my friend
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#266071: Jan 7th 2019 at 7:59:03 PM

We're supposed to feel sorry for the xenophobes, eh? Those poor, widdle, neo-fascists, right?

Make that violin microscopic.

I hold the secrets of the machine.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#266072: Jan 7th 2019 at 7:59:27 PM

I'm reminded of all those Trump voters who had their businesses destroyed by losing their immigrant labor or other laws.

And they're like, "I'm sure the President will fix this!"

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#266073: Jan 7th 2019 at 7:59:48 PM

Or to rephrase that:

The purpose of a government should be maximising utility, not simply allocate harm.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#266074: Jan 7th 2019 at 8:00:28 PM

I have No Sympathy for the people who voted for Trump so that whoever they consider the "other" would be hurt. Boo fucking hoo.

Do not obey in advance.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#266075: Jan 7th 2019 at 8:02:15 PM

protagonist: sure, but this trumpets pretty much thinng that fixing stuff means the goverment must enforce the hurtng, which enforce their idea stuff just happen because reason and punishing is how you make it work.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

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