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SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#265901: Jan 6th 2019 at 12:37:43 PM

Crossposted with the Race thread:

Nancy Pelosi Banged Her "All Lives Matter" Drum Despite Being Given the Perfect Opportunity to Do Otherwise.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#265902: Jan 6th 2019 at 12:41:22 PM

All Lives Matter is one of those things that is like Thoughts and Prayers.

I think its bullshit the Republicans are stealing a reasonable sentence to make it code for racism.

And Pelosi's statement includes directly addressing black grievances.

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#265903: Jan 6th 2019 at 12:50:21 PM

So we're all gonna die because of Mitch Mc Turtle? Lovely

EDIT: And before someone accuses me of doomsaying, is it really that hard to believe? Once people begin losing their homes and starving because they lose their jobs and/or assistance, is not violence the next logical step?

Edited by MrHellboy on Jan 6th 2019 at 2:54:49 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#265904: Jan 6th 2019 at 12:53:57 PM

You can take what I say with a grain of salt but Mitch isn't a Reasonable Authority Figure or the Only Sane Man. He is a dedicated Kill the Poor ideologue that I liken to the villain from Dishonored. The guy who actually thinks we should be working to the Objectivist Utopia by removing all the protections from the people Darwin would otherwise kill off for lack of affording food, clothing, or medicine.

If there's any Republican halt on Trump for humanitarian reasons, it has to bypass him.

It won't come from him.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 6th 2019 at 12:55:05 PM

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#265905: Jan 6th 2019 at 12:55:18 PM

Yeah that's a pretty disingenuous reading of her statement on the article's part.

Oh really when?
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#265906: Jan 6th 2019 at 12:59:50 PM

It's poor wording either way on her part.

"I support togetherness for America that is separate but equal in togetherness."

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#265907: Jan 6th 2019 at 1:00:49 PM

So we're all gonna die because of Mitch Mc Turtle? Lovely

EDIT: And before someone accuses me of doomsaying, is it really that hard to believe? Once people begin losing their homes and starving because they lose their jobs and/or assistance, is not violence the next logical step?

There will be a very real human cost of an extended shutdown, but that doesn't make "we're all gonna die because of Mit Mc Turtle" any less doomsaying.

Rule of thumb, unless you're talking about imminent nuclear war "we're all going to die" is never appropriate or productive.

It's poor wording either way on her part.

"I support togetherness for America that is separate but equal in togetherness."

Agreed, I don't think she meant it in the normal way that "all lives matter" is used but it was careless on her part all the same and she should've just said yes.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 6th 2019 at 4:08:26 AM

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#265908: Jan 6th 2019 at 1:06:18 PM

Yeah, her actual statement was more "All minorities matter and this shit is fucked" but she bungled it by saying the three words.

Oh really when?
MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#265909: Jan 6th 2019 at 1:16:19 PM

Ugh.

On the one hand, I agree I don't like that she's using the "All Lives Matter" mantra 'cause that has so many unfortunate implications

On the other, can we deal with this sort of thing later, when there isn't a government shutdown to be dealt with and life and welfare at stake?

Edited by MrHellboy on Jan 6th 2019 at 3:17:06 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#265910: Jan 6th 2019 at 1:17:19 PM

Either it's worth criticizing or it's not, I don't think a government shutdown eliminates the benefits of fair criticisms.

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#265911: Jan 6th 2019 at 1:19:52 PM

Oh it's definitely worth criticizing. I'm probably the biggest social justice warrior there is

I'm just saying, let's focus on the problem at hand

EDIT: And by let's, I don't mean us here in the forum. I just mean people in general

Edited by MrHellboy on Jan 6th 2019 at 3:20:37 AM

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#265912: Jan 6th 2019 at 1:24:11 PM

[up]It's part of the problem at hand, though. The shutdown has happened specifically because Tea Party and Klan types have decided that Mesoamerican lives don't matter.

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#265913: Jan 6th 2019 at 1:28:09 PM

Mesoamerican?

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#265914: Jan 6th 2019 at 1:35:30 PM

[up]The Wall is supposed to bolster border security *spits* mainly to keep nasty, Spanish-speaking Cental Americans out, no? So... Yeah.

Latin American (and those who still don't speak much Spanish, Portuguese or French, since they're still speaking Aztec- or Mayan-derived dialects/languages... or something else... like strong dialectical English) lives, apparently, don't matter.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Jan 6th 2019 at 9:41:09 AM

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#265915: Jan 6th 2019 at 1:40:00 PM

I see

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#265916: Jan 6th 2019 at 1:58:59 PM

How secure is Mitch's leadership? If he refuses to budge could another Republican launch a challenge to replace him as Speaker and head of the Senate Republicans?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#265917: Jan 6th 2019 at 2:06:25 PM

Honestly, it's probably more secure than it was before Trump was elected. He was the first one to hitch his wagon to Donald aside from maybe Pence (who was really just doing it because his career was effectively over). He's been trying to be Dick Cheney to Trump's Bush ever since.

Except, Trump is not controllable like Dubya and we get the gross embarrassments like Mitch (and it was Mitch's plan primarily) trying to shut down the ACA only to have Trump torpedo it with McCain.

(A statement of Mitch's moral code can be summarized in that one sentence, "He wanted remove the ACA and put nothing up to replace it.")

A lot of Mitch's former rivals in power in the GOP have been fired, quit, resigned, or given up.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 6th 2019 at 2:07:06 AM

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#265918: Jan 6th 2019 at 2:11:32 PM

It's more like that Mitch will let the House bills come up to a vote if vulnerable Republican senators such as Cory Gardner beg him. Evil Turtle needs his Senate majority, after all, so there is a balance to be kept between keeping Trumpist senators happy and non-red state senators safe.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Jan 6th 2019 at 11:12:00 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#265919: Jan 6th 2019 at 2:13:26 PM

They're secure until the next election which is a lot of territory to cover and victim blaming aside.

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#265920: Jan 6th 2019 at 2:46:06 PM

Mitch Mc Connell basically acts like an even more detestable version of Manfred von Karma at this point.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#265921: Jan 6th 2019 at 2:57:18 PM

I think that is a big underestimate...

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#265922: Jan 6th 2019 at 3:12:42 PM

Mitch being an evil genius I agree with but I think they're wrong regarding ACA being a Evil Plan.

I'm also going to say trying to protect Tobacco is a weird place to draw the line given it's Kentucky. That is probably the only place where he's actually representing his constituents—however his motives.

(He doesn't want marajuana legalized because he believes that would benefit small time producers more than large crop growers—he considered budging on it once but only if they could make sure only big farmers with state-granted licenses and X number of acres could do it)

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#265923: Jan 6th 2019 at 4:11:57 PM

Yeah, if poor people start dying it’s a feature to him, not a bug. But the thing is that not every senator, even aomg republicans, feels that way, and even if they do when their base gets pissed enough they’ll have no choice but to cave, turtle be damned.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#265924: Jan 6th 2019 at 4:12:55 PM

Just saying...

Are we really counting on the Republicans having a change of heart as our only strategy?

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#265925: Jan 6th 2019 at 4:15:14 PM

Not so much a change of heart as avoiding losing their positions.


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